Occitano-Romance languages

Occitano-Romance
	Narbonensis dialect
Geographic; distribution	France, Spain, Andorra, Monaco, parts of Italy
Linguistic classification	Indo-European Italic Romance Western Romance Gallo-Romance Occitano-Romance; ; ; ; ;
Subdivisions	Occitan; Catalan;
Glottolog	None

The Occitano-Romance or Gallo-Narbonnese (Catalan: llengües occitanoromàniques, Occitan: lengas occitanoromanicas, Aragonese: lenguas/llenguas occitanorománicas), or rarely East Iberian,[1] is a branch of the Romance language group that encompasses the Catalan/Valencian, Occitan languages and Aragonese spoken in parts of southern France and northeastern Spain.[2][3]

Extent

The group covers the languages of the southern part of France (Occitania including Northern Catalonia), eastern Spain (Catalonia, Valencian Community, Balearic Islands, La Franja, Carche, Northern Aragon), together with Andorra, Monaco, parts of Italy (Occitan Valleys, Alghero, Guardia Piemontese), and historically in the County of Tripoli and the possessions of the Crown of Aragon. The existence of this group of languages is discussed on both linguistic and political bases.

Classification

According to some linguists both Occitan and Catalan/Valencian should be considered Gallo-Romance languages. Other linguists concur as regarding Occitan but consider Catalan and Aragonese to be part of the Ibero-Romance languages.

The issue at debate is as political as it is linguistic because the division into Gallo-Romance and Ibero-Romance languages stems from the current nation states of France and Spain and so is based more on territorial criteria than historic and linguistic criteria. One of the main proponents of the unity of the languages of the Iberian Peninsula was Spanish philologist Ramón Menéndez Pidal, and for a long time, others such as Swiss linguist Wilhelm Meyer-Lübke (Das Katalanische, Heidelberg, 1925) have supported the kinship of Occitan and Catalan. Moreover, the fact that Aragonese hasn't been studied as much as both Catalan and Occitan, many people label it as a Spanish dialect.[4]

From the 8th century to the 13th century, there was no clear linguistic distinction between Occitania and Catalonia. For instance, the Provençal troubadour, Albertet de Sestaró, says: "Monks, tell me which according to your knowledge are better: the French or the Catalans? and here I shall put Gascony, Provence, Limousin, Auvergne and Viennois while there shall be the land of the two kings."[5] In Marseille, a typical Provençal song is called 'Catalan song'.[6]

Internal variation

Supradialectal classification of Occitano-Romance according to P. Bec

Supradialectal classification of Occitano-Romance according to D. Sumien

Most linguists separate Catalan and Occitan, but both languages have been treated as one in studies by Occitan linguists attempting to classify the dialects of Occitan in supradialectal groups, such is the case of Pierre Bec[7] and, more recently, of Domergue Sumien.[8]

Both join together in an Aquitano-Pyrenean or Pre-Iberian group including Catalan, Gascon and a part of Languedocian, leaving the rest of Occitan in one (Sumien: Arverno-Mediterranean) or two groups (Bec: Arverno-Mediterranean, Central Occitan

Linguistic variation

Similarities between Catalan, Occitan and Aragonese

Both Varieties of Catalan and Occitan have apocope on terminal latin vowels -Ĕ, -Ŭ (protoromance -e, -o):

Latin		Catalan		Occitan		Castilian
Orthography	IPA	Orthography	IPA	Orthography	IPA	Castilian
TRŬNCŬM	[ˈt̪rʊŋ.kʊ̃ˑ]	tronc	[tɾoŋ(k)]	tronc	[tɾoŋ(k)]	tronco
LĬGNOSŬM	[ˈlʲɪŋ.n̪ɔ.sʊ̃ˑ]	llenyòs	[ʎəɲós]	lenhós	[leɲús]	leñoso

This evolution does not occur when the ellision of -e or -o results in a terminal consonant cluster.

Latin	Old Occitan	Catalan	Occitan
ÁRBORĔ	ARBRE	arbre	arbre
QUATTUOR	QUÁTRO	quatre	quatre

A large part of the lexicon is shared, and in general written words in Catalan and Occitan are mutually intelligible. Similar to the differences in lexicon between Portuguese and Castilian (although this is not always the case with spoken language and varies from dialect to dialect). There are also notable cognates between Catalan, Valencian, Occitan and Aragonese.

English	Latin	Occitan	Catalan	Aragonese
old	VÉC(U)LA	vielha	vella	viella
middle / half	MEDIU(M)	mièg	mig	meyo
I	EGŌ	ieu ~ jo	jo	yo
to follow	SEQUĔRE	seguir ~ siegere	seguir	seguir(e)
leaf	FŌLIA(M)	fuòlha ~ fuèlha	fulla	fuella ~ folla

Differences between Catalan and Occitan

Most of the differences of the vowel system stem from neutralizations that take place on unstressed syllables. In both languages a stressed syllable has a great number of possible different vowels, while phonologically different vowels end up being articulated in the same way in an unstressed syllable. Although this neutralization is common to both languages, the details of the differ markedly. In Occitan the form of neutralization depends on whether a vowel is pretonic (before the stressed syllable) or postonic (after the stressed syllable). For example /ɔ/ articulates as [u] in pretonic position and as [o] in postonic position, and only as [ɔ] in stressed position. In contrast neutralization in Catalan is the same regardless of the position of the unstressed syllable (although it differs from dialect to dialect). Many of these changes happened in the 14th or late 13th century.

Slightly older are the palatalizations present in Occitan before a palatal or velar consonant:

Occitan	Catalan	English
vielha	vella	Old
mièg	mig	Middle/Half
ieu/jo	jo	I
seguir	seguir	To follow
fuèlha	fulla	Leaf

Lexical comparison

Variations in the spellings and pronunciations of numbers in several Occitano-Romance dialects:[9][10]

Numeral	Occitan					Catalan		Aragonese[11]	PROTO- OcRm
	Northern Occitan		Western Occitan	Eastern Occitan		Eastern Catalan	Northwestern Catalan
	Auvergnat	Limousin	Gascon	Languedocien	Provençal	Eastern Catalan	Northwestern Catalan
1	vyn / vynɐ vun / vunå	ỹ / ynɔ un / una	y / yo un / ua	ỹ / yno un / una	yŋ / yno un / una	un / unə un / una	un / una un / una	un~uno / una un~uno / una	un / una
2	du / dua dou / duas	du / dua dos / doas	dys / dyos dus / duas	dus / duos dos / doas	dus / duas dous / douas	dos / duəs dos / dues	dos dos / dues	dos / duas dos / duas	dos~dus / duas
3	tʀei trei	trei tres	tres tres	tres tres	tʀes tres	trɛs tres	trɛs tres	tɾes tres	*tres
4	katʀə catre	katre quatre	kwatə quatre	katre quatre	katʀə quatre	kwatrə quatre	kwatre quatre	kwatro~kwatre quatro / quatre	*kwatre
5	ʃin sin	ʃin cinc	siŋk cinq	siŋk cinq	siŋ cinq	siŋ / siŋk cinc	siŋ / siŋk cinc	θiŋko~θiŋk cinco / cinc	*siŋk
6	ʃei siei	ʃiei sieis	ʃeis sheis	siɛis sièis	siei sieis	sis sis	sis sis	seis~sieis seis / sieis	*sieis
7	se sé	ʃe sèt	sɛt sèt	sɛt sèt	sɛ sèt	sɛt set	sɛt set	siet~sɛt siet / set	*sɛt
8	vø veu	jɥe uèch	weit ueit	ɥeʧ uèch	vɥe vue	buit / vuit vuit	vuit / wit vuit / huit	weito~weit ueito / ueit	*weit
9	niø~nou nieu~nou	nɔu nòu	nau nau	nɔu nòu	nu nòu	nɔu nou	nɔu nou	nweu~nɔu nueu / nou	*nɔu
10	die~de dié~dé	diɛ~de detz	dɛʦ dètz	dɛʦ dèts	dɛs dès	dɛu deu	dɛu deu	dieθ~deu diez / deu	*dɛʦ

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References

"Ibero-Romance". Retrieved 4 October 2017.
"Mas se confrontam los parlars naturals de Catalonha e d'Occitania, i a pas cap de dobte, em en preséncia de parlars d'una meteissa familha linguistica, la qu'ai qualificada d'occitano-romana, plaçada a egala distància entre lo francés e l'espanhòl." Loís Alibèrt, Òc, n°7 (01/1950), p. 26
Lozano Sierra J, Saludas Bernad A.. Aspectos morfosintácticos del Belsetán. Saragossa: Gara d'Edizions, 2007, p. 180. ISBN 84-8094-056-5.
Tomás Arias, Javier. Elementos de lingüística contrastiva en aragonés: estudio de algunas afinidades con gascón, catalán y otros romances (Thesis). Universitat de Barcelona, 2016-07-08
Monges, causetz, segons vostre siensa qual valon mais, catalan ho francés?/ E met de sai Guascuenha e Proensa/ E lemozí, alvernh’ e vianés/ E de lai met la terra dels dos reis.
Manuel Milá y Fontanals (1861). De los trovadores en España: Estudio de lengua y poesía provenzal. J. Verdaguer. p. 14.
Pierre BEC (1973), Manuel pratique d’occitan moderne, coll. Connaissance des langues, Paris: Picard
Domergue SUMIEN (2006), La standardisation pluricentrique de l'occitan: nouvel enjeu sociolinguistique, développement du lexique et de la morphologie, coll. Publications de l'Association Internationale d'Études Occitanes, Turnhout: Brepols
"Indo-European numerals (Eugene Chan)". Archived from the original on 2012-02-12. Retrieved 2019-05-15.
Cardinals en l'argonés
"Los números en aragonés: Cardinales". Archived from the original on 2019-04-21. Retrieved 2019-05-15.CS1 maint: BOT: original-url status unknown (link)

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[Ethnologue_Ibero-Romance-1] "Ibero-Romance". Retrieved 4 October 2017.

[2] "Mas se confrontam los parlars naturals de Catalonha e d'Occitania, i a pas cap de dobte, em en preséncia de parlars d'una meteissa familha linguistica, la qu'ai qualificada d'occitano-romana, plaçada a egala distància entre lo francés e l'espanhòl." Loís Alibèrt, Òc, n°7 (01/1950), p. 26

[3] Lozano Sierra J, Saludas Bernad A.. Aspectos morfosintácticos del Belsetán. Saragossa: Gara d'Edizions, 2007, p. 180. ISBN 84-8094-056-5.

[4] Tomás Arias, Javier. Elementos de lingüística contrastiva en aragonés: estudio de algunas afinidades con gascón, catalán y otros romances (Thesis). Universitat de Barcelona, 2016-07-08

[5] Monges, causetz, segons vostre siensa qual valon mais, catalan ho francés?/ E met de sai Guascuenha e Proensa/ E lemozí, alvernh’ e vianés/ E de lai met la terra dels dos reis.

[Fontanals1861-6] Manuel Milá y Fontanals (1861). De los trovadores en España: Estudio de lengua y poesía provenzal. J. Verdaguer. p. 14.

[7] Pierre BEC (1973), Manuel pratique d’occitan moderne, coll. Connaissance des langues, Paris: Picard

[8] Domergue SUMIEN (2006), La standardisation pluricentrique de l'occitan: nouvel enjeu sociolinguistique, développement du lexique et de la morphologie, coll. Publications de l'Association Internationale d'Études Occitanes, Turnhout: Brepols

[9] "Indo-European numerals (Eugene Chan)". Archived from the original on 2012-02-12. Retrieved 2019-05-15.

[10] Cardinals en l'argonés

[11] "Los números en aragonés: Cardinales". Archived from the original on 2019-04-21. Retrieved 2019-05-15.CS1 maint: BOT: original-url status unknown (link)