1986 São Paulo FC season
The 1986 season was São Paulo's 57th season since club's existence.
1986 season | |
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Chairman | ![]() (re-elected in April 16) |
Manager | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Série A | Champions (2nd title) |
Campeonato Paulista | First stage |
Top goalscorer | League: Careca (26) All: Careca (33) |
Scorers
Position | Nation | Playing position | Name | Campeonato Paulista | Campeonato Brasileiro | Others | Total |
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FW | Careca | 7 | 26 | 0 | 33 |
2 | ![]() |
FW | Müller | 6 | 10 | 1 | 17 |
3 | ![]() |
MF | Silas | 4 | 9 | 3 | 16 |
4 | ![]() |
FW | Manu | 12 | 1 | 0 | 13 |
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MF | Pita | 7 | 5 | 0 | 12 |
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MF | Bernardo | 2 | 3 | 0 | 5 |
7 | ![]() |
MF | Pianelli | 3 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
8 | ![]() |
FW | Freitas | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 |
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FW | Sidney | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 |
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DF | Wagner Basílio | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 |
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DF | Zé Teodoro | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 |
9 | ![]() |
DF | Nelsinho | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
10 | ![]() |
DF | Capone | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
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DF | Darío Pereyra | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
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MF | Falcão | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
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FW | Marcelo | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
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DF | Oscar | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
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FW | Wagner Lopes | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
Total | 50 | 62 | 8 | 120 |
Managers performance
Name | Nationality | From | To | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | % |
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Cilinho | ![]() |
2 February | 13 July | 33 | 8 | 19 | 6 | 41 | 34 | 53% |
José Carlos Serrão (caretaker) | ![]() |
9 March | 6 September | 16 | 6 | 8 | 2 | 20 | 10 | 55% |
Pepe | ![]() |
14 September | 25 February 1987 | 33 | 17 | 12 | 4 | 64 | 21 | 69% |
Overall
Games played | 80 (38 Campeonato Paulista, 34 Campeonato Brasileiro, 8 Friendly match) |
Games won | 30 (11 Campeonato Paulista, 17 Campeonato Brasileiro, 2 Friendly match) |
Games drawn | 38 (20 Campeonato Paulista, 13 Campeonato Brasileiro, 5 Friendly match) |
Games lost | 12 (7 Campeonato Paulista, 4 Campeonato Brasileiro, 1 Friendly match) |
Goals scored | 120 |
Goals conceded | 64 |
Goal difference | +56 |
Best result | 6–1 (H) v Ponte Preta - Campeonato Brasileiro - 1986.12.10 |
Worst result | 1–4 (A) v Juventus - Campeonato Paulista - 1986.4.16 |
Top scorer | Careca (33) |
Source: São Paulo FC
Friendlies
February 19 National | Mauaense ![]() | 1–1 | ![]() | Mauá |
Giba ![]() |
Freitas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Pedro Benedetti Attendance: 3,000 Referee: Sergio Corrêa da Silva |
February 22 National | Taubaté ![]() | 1–1 | ![]() | Taubaté |
Carlos Augusto ![]() |
Pianelli ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Joaquim de Morais Filho Referee: Pedro Inácio Filho |
March 9 National | Ceres ![]() | 0–1 | ![]() | Ceres |
Nelsinho ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal José de Deus Rivatti |
August 24 National | Rio Branco ![]() | 0–0 | ![]() | Cariacica |
Stadium: Estádio Engenheiro de Alencar Araripe Attendance: 4,004 Referee: José Filho |
Taça dos Campeões Rio-São Paulo
February 2 National | Fluminense ![]() | 2–2 | ![]() | Rio de Janeiro |
Renê ![]() Ricardo ![]() |
Silas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio das Laranjeiras Attendance: 3,770 Referee: Luís Carlos Félix |
Trofeo Teresa Herrera
August 9 International | Santos ![]() | 1–0 | ![]() | A Coruña |
Serginho ![]() |
Stadium: Estadio Riazor Attendance: 20,000 Referee: Teodoro Valdéz Sanches |
August 10 International | Real Madrid ![]() | 1–1 | ![]() | A Coruña |
Sánchez ![]() |
Müller ![]() |
Stadium: Estadio Riazor Referee: López Grandal |
Official competitions
Campeonato Paulista
February 25 First stage 1 | São Paulo | 1–1 | América | São Paulo |
Manu ![]() |
Dito Siqueira ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Paulo Machado de Carvalho (Pacaembu) Attendance: 4,580 Referee: Romualdo Arppi Filho |
March 2 First stage 2 | São Paulo | 3–0 | Botafogo | São Paulo |
Capone ![]() Freitas ![]() Manu ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Paulo Machado de Carvalho (Pacaembu) Attendance: 5,098 Referee: Douglas Gonçalves Las Casas |
March 5 First stage 3 | Ponte Preta | 1–1 | São Paulo | Campinas |
Valdir ![]() |
Freitas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Moisés Lucarelli Attendance: 4,976 Referee: Ulisses Tavares da Silva Filho |
March 12 First stage 4 | São Paulo | 0–0 | Ferroviária | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 1,737 Referee: José de Assis Aragão |
March 16 First stage 5 | Novorizontino | 0–2 | São Paulo | Novo Horizonte |
Wagner Basílio ![]() Pianelli ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Jorge Ismael de Biasi Attendance: 7,241 Referee: Euclides Zamperetti Fiori |
March 19 First stage 6 | São Paulo | 0–0 | XV de Piracicaba | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 1,473 Referee: José Renato de Oliveira Fidalgo |
March 23 First stage 7 | Internacional | 0–0 | São Paulo | Limeira |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Major José Levy Sobrinho Attendance: 9,123 Referee: Romualdo Arppi Filho |
March 30 First stage 8 | Santos | 1–3 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Serginho ![]() |
Manu ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 17,215 Referee: Ulisses Tavares da Silva Filho |
April 2 First stage 9 | São Paulo | 1–2 | Santo André | São Paulo |
Wagner Lopes ![]() |
Luiz Pereira ![]() Agnaldo ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 3,017 Referee: Flávio de Carvalho |
April 6 First stage 10 | Palmeiras | 1–1 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Mendonça ![]() |
Wagner Basílio ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 20,006 Referee: Dulcídio Wanderley Boschilla |
April 13 First stage 11 | São Bento | 1–0 | São Paulo | Sorocaba |
Jones ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Wálter Ribeiro Attendance: 7,643 Referee: Ivo José da Costa Junior |
April 16 First stage 12 | Juventus | 4–1 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Gatãozinho ![]() Raudinei ![]() Claudinho ![]() |
Manu ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Paulo Machado de Carvalho (Pacaembu) Attendance: 3,822 Referee: Antônio de Paula e Silva |
April 20 First stage 13 | XV de Jaú | 0–1 | São Paulo | Jaú |
Manu ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal José Magalhães de Almeida Prado Attendance: 6,804 Referee: Euclides Peres Rodrigues |
April 23 First stage 14 | São Paulo | 1–3 | Mogi Mirim | São Paulo |
Wagner Basílio ![]() |
Bugrão ![]() Henrique ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 1,726 Referee: Valter Borges de Queiroz |
April 27 First stage 15 | Comercial | 0–0 | São Paulo | Ribeirão Preto |
Stadium: Estádio Doutor Francisco de Palma Travassos Attendance: 7,272 Referee: Almir Ricci Peixoto Laguna |
May 1 First stage 16 | Paulista | 0–2 | São Paulo | Jundiaí |
Manu ![]() Pita ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Doutor Jayme Pinheiro de Ulhôa Cintra Attendance: 12,533 Referee: Ulisses Tavares da Silva Filho |
May 4 First stage 17 | São Paulo | 4–1 | Portuguesa | São Paulo |
Pita ![]() Pianelli ![]() Bernardo ![]() Manu ![]() |
Célio ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Doutor Oswaldo Teixeira Duarte (Canindé) Attendance: 17,457 Referee: Valter Gabriel Mitre |
May 10 First stage 18 | São Paulo | 2–2 | Guarani | São Paulo |
Pianelli ![]() Manu ![]() |
Evair ![]() Neto ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 4,681 Referee: Emídio Marques de Mesquita |
May 17 First stage 19 | Corinthians | 1–1 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Cacau ![]() |
Manu ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Paulo Machado de Carvalho (Pacaembu) Attendance: 17,455 Referee: Dulcídio Wanderley Boschillia |
May 24 Second stage 1 | São Paulo | 1–1 | Novorizontino | São Paulo |
Pita ![]() |
Wilson Carrasco ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 3,710 Referee: Euclides Peres Rodrigues |
May 28 Second stage 2 | América | 1–1 | São Paulo | São José do Rio Preto |
Catanoce ![]() |
Pita ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Mário Alves de Mendonça Attendance: 6,611 Referee: Ulisses Tavares da Silva Filho |
May 31 Second stage 3 | São Paulo | 0–1 | XV de Jaú | São Paulo |
Zé Carlos ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 766 Referee: Osvaldo dos Santos Ramos |
June 20 Second stage 4 | São Paulo | 0–0 | Juventus | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Paulo Machado de Carvalho (Pacaembu) Attendance: 744 Referee: Antônio Carlos Saraiva |
June 24 Second stage 5 | São Paulo | 1–1 | São Bento | São Paulo |
Marcelo ![]() |
Raimundinho ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 389 Referee: Douglas Gonçalves Las Casas |
June 28 Second stage 6 | Mogi Mirim | 1–1 | São Paulo | Mogi Mirim |
Bugrão ![]() |
Müller ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Vail Chaves Attendance: 11,489 Referee: Flávio de Carvalho |
July 2 Second stage 7 | Botafogo | 0–0 | São Paulo | Ribeirão Preto |
Stadium: Estádio Santa Cruz Attendance: 9,119 Referee: Antônio de Paula e Silva |
July 6 Second stage 8 | Guarani | 1–1 | São Paulo | Campinas |
João Paulo Uberaba ![]() |
Müller ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Brinco de Ouro da Princesa Attendance: 7,431 Referee: José Carlos Gomes do Nascimento |
July 9 Second stage 9 | São Paulo | 4–5 | Comercial | São Paulo |
Pita ![]() Müller ![]() Silas ![]() Bernardo ![]() |
Rômulo ![]() Souza ![]() Didi ![]() Lucio ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 2,726 Referee: José de Assis Aragão |
July 13 Second stage 10 | Santos | 1–2 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Paulo Leme ![]() |
Careca ![]() Pita ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Urbano Caldeira (Vila Belmiro) Attendance: 21,133 Referee: Almir Ricci Peixoto Laguna |
July 16 Second stage 11 | XV de Piracicaba | 1–0 | São Paulo | Piracicaba |
Amarildo ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Barão de Serra Negra Attendance: 11,161 Referee: Flávio de Carvalho |
July 20 Second stage 12 | São Paulo | 2–1 | Corinthians | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() |
Cristóvão ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 22,582 Referee: Ulisses Tavares da Silva Filho |
July 23 Second stage 13 | São Paulo | 0–0 | Paulista | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 2.814 Referee: José de Assis Aragão |
July 27 Second stage 14 | Palmeiras | 1–5 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Nelsinho ![]() |
Careca ![]() Müller ![]() Silas ![]() Sidney ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 42,706 Referee: José Carlos Gomes do Nascimento |
July 30 Second stage 15 | Santo André | 1–1 | São Paulo | Santo André |
Beto ![]() |
Pita ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Bruno José Daniel Attendance: 14,016 Referee: Dulcídio Wanderley Boschilla |
August 2 Second stage 16 | Portuguesa | 1–1 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Jorginho ![]() |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 9,051 Referee: Almir Ricci Peixoto Laguna |
August 5 Second stage 17 | São Paulo | 1–0 | Ponte Preta | São Paulo |
Silas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 1,484 Referee: José de Assis Aragão |
August 14 Second stage 18 | Ferroviária | 0–0 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Doutor Adhemar de Barros (Fonte Luminos) Attendance: 2,842 Referee: Emídio Marques de Mesquita |
August 17 Second stage 19 | São Paulo | 5–1 | Internacional | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Müller ![]() Manu ![]() |
Gílson Gênio ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 1,094 Referee: Antônio de Paula e Silva |
Campeonato Brasileiro
August 30 First round 1 | Coritiba | 0–1 | São Paulo | Curitiba |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Major Antônio do Couto Pereira Attendance: 24,557 Referee: Arnaldo David Cezar Coelho |
September 2 First round 2 | Sobradinho | 1–1 | São Paulo | Brasília |
Tom Zé ![]() |
Zé Teodoro ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Manoel Francisco dos Santos (Mané Garrincha) Attendance: 9,741 Referee: Pedro Carlos Bregalda |
September 7 First round 3 | São Paulo | 1–1 | Bangu | São Paulo |
Zé Teodoro ![]() |
João Cláudio ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 13,552 Referee: Affonso Vítor de Oliveira |
September 14 First round 4 | São Paulo | 4–0 | Ceará | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Manu ![]() Bernardo ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 15,877 Referee: Nei Andrade Nunesmaia |
September 21 First round 5 | São Paulo | 0–0 | Internacional | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 20,407 Referee: Luís Carlos Félix |
September 24 First round 6 | São Paulo | 4–0 | Sampaio Corrêa | São Paulo |
Pereyra ![]() Careca ![]() Zé Teodoro ![]() Oscar ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 7,121 Referee: Edson Alcântara do Amorim |
September 28 First round 7 | Fluminense | 2–3 | São Paulo | Rio de Janeiro |
Washington ![]() Ricardo Gomes ![]() |
Careca ![]() Pita ![]() Müller ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho (Maracanã) Attendance: 12,964 Referee: Tito Rodrigues |
September 30 First round 8 | Operário | 1–2 | São Paulo | Campo Grande |
Fernando Roberto ![]() |
Careca ![]() Müller ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Universitário Pedro Pedrossian (Morenão) Attendance: 19,235 Referee: José Roberto Ramiz Wright |
October 2 First round 9 | Remo | 0–2 | São Paulo | Belém |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Alacid Nunes (Mangueirão) Attendance: 26,493 Referee: Manoel Amaro de Lima |
October 5 First round 10 | São Paulo | 3–2 | Sport | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Silas ![]() Müller ![]() |
Edel ![]() Adílson ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 21,495 Referee: Roberto Costa |
October 12 Second stage 1 | Ponte Preta | 0–2 | São Paulo | Campinas |
Sidney ![]() Silas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Moisés Lucarelli Attendance: 18,406 Referee: Valquir Pimentel |
October 19 Second stage 2 | São Paulo | 2–0 | Santos | São Paulo |
Silas ![]() Pita ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 27,926 Referee: Arnaldo David Cezar Coelho |
October 22 Second stage 3 | São Paulo | 2–0 | Bangu | São Paulo |
Müller ![]() Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 10,824 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
October 26 Second stage 4 | São Paulo | 1–1 | America-RJ | São Paulo |
Müller ![]() |
Luizinho Lemos ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 33,952 Referee: Hélio Cosso |
November 2 Second stage 5 | São Paulo | 0–0 | Palmeiras | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 60,638 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
November 9 Second stage 6 | Joinville | 0–0 | São Paulo | Joinville |
Stadium: Estádio Ernesto Schlemm Sobrinho Attendance: 19,115 Referee: Roberto Costa |
November 12 Second stage 7 | Treze | 1–0 | São Paulo | Campina Grande |
Dão ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Governador Ernani Satyro (Amigão) Attendance: 21,925 Referee: Manuel Amaro de Lima |
November 20 Second stage 8 | São Paulo | 5–0 | Botafogo | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Müller ![]() Silas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 9,572 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
November 23 Second stage 9 | Santos | 0–0 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 32,706 Referee: Wilson Carlos dos Santos |
November 30 Second stage 10 | America-RJ | 0–0 | São Paulo | Niterói |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Caio Martins Attendance: 7,294 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
December 3 Second stage 11 | São Paulo | 4–1 | Treze | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Müller ![]() |
Bill ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 6,106 Referee: Renato Marsiglia |
December 7 Second stage 12 | Botafogo | 0–0 | São Paulo | Rio de Janeiro |
Stadium: Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho (Maracanã) Attendance: 15,919 Referee: Nei Andrade Nunesmaia |
December 10 Second stage 13 | São Paulo | 6–1 | Ponte Preta | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Pita ![]() Silas ![]() Bernardo ![]() |
Mauro ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 8,832 Referee: Manoel Serapião Filho |
December 14 Second stage 14 | Palmeiras | 2–2 | São Paulo | São Paulo |
Edu Manga ![]() Mirandinha ![]() |
Nelsinho ![]() Silas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 68,213 Referee: José Roberto Ramiz Wright |
January 24, 1987 Second stage 15 | São Paulo | 5–0 | Joinville | São Paulo |
Müller ![]() Pita ![]() Careca ![]() Sidney ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 3,118 Referee: Arnaldo David Cezar Coelho |
January 28, 1987 Second stage 16 | Bangu | 1–0 | São Paulo | Rio de Janeiro |
Marcelinho ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Proletário Guilherme da Silveira Filho (Moça Bonita) Attendance: 1,065 Referee: Tito Rodrigues |
February 1, 1987 Round of 16 | Internacional-SP | 2–1 | São Paulo | Limeira |
João Batista ![]() Gilberto Costa ![]() |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Municipal Major José Levy Sobrinho Attendance: 23,918 Referee: Wilson Carlos dos Santos |
February 4, 1987 Round of 16 | São Paulo | 3–0 | Internacional-SP | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() Silas ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 34,075 Referee: Luís Carlos Félix* Aloísio Felisberto |
February 8, 1987 Quarter-final | Fluminense | 1–0 | São Paulo | Rio de Janeiro |
Washington ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho (Maracanã) Attendance: 50,669 Referee: Manoel Amaro de Lima |
February 11, 1987 Quarter-final | São Paulo | 2–0 | Fluminense | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 65,119 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
February 15, 1987 Semi-final | São Paulo | 1–0 | America-RJ | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 79,850 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
February 18, 1987 Semi-final | America-RJ | 1–1 | São Paulo | Rio de Janeiro |
Renato ![]() |
Careca ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho (Maracanã) Attendance: 50,502 Referee: Carlos Sergio Rosa Martins |
February 22, 1987 Final | São Paulo | 1–1 | Guarani | São Paulo |
Careca ![]() |
Evair ![]() |
Stadium: Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo (Morumbi) Attendance: 81,060 Referee: Carlos Rosa Martins |
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gollark: There was an older generation, right?
gollark: Intel sells them. It's just that nobody seems to actually use them.
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