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Page Deletion

You do not need to "Support" a deletion. If there is no opposition an admin will review it and delete it. --Green Dragon (talk) 03:51, 31 May 2019 (MDT)

Certainly doesn't look that way with how every admin I've seen barring Geodude is acting. He's the only one not acting smug or looking down on / treating other users like peons, having rational discussion, on and off the wiki. --Max7238 (talk) 09:58, 31 May 2019 (MDT)

Warning

I am warning you for your edit for ill-considered accusations of impropriety, taunting or baiting, and quoting another editor out of context. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2019 (MDT)

I'm sorry that's how you interpret that, but I'll say again that such is not my intention. I'm not sure where or which quote of whom was out of context, either. It's difficult to give anything I'm saying or doing proper consideration given that I'm angry over this matter beyond time, as works published and rights established can, and often do, outlive their creators. I've said at the top of my own user page that I'm used to being misunderstood over text, but since it's the only avenue afforded to me, it's the only choice I have. --Max7238 (talk) 12:46, 3 June 2019 (MDT)

I disagree that this warning is valid. It possibly could have been a bit nicer, but there is reasonable evidence that some users are not acting in good faith, and we shouldn’t punish users for trying to make their voices heard when they believe a user is acting improperly, regardless of that user’s status in the community. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 13:02, 3 June 2019 (MDT)

It's great to hear that you agree there is room to improve in the discussions.

Here are some quotes:

(1) "I would like for you to go back and look at what pages were requested for deletion - I'll save you the trouble, it was all of Varkarrus' created pages - and which ones are labeled as "not yet marked for deletion." Again, I'll save you the trouble: the only pages anyone seemed to care about at all were the ones with the best quality."

(2) "Not after I'm much more familiar with all your policies, and with the attitude you're showing toward the creations of someone else's mind. Experience? Toughest hurdles? I went to college for law. I eat maybe twice a day because I'm buried under the debt. I wrote a book of 225k words in three months, and had to self-publish, alone. I've got more creative potential and experience in my little finger than most have in their entire body. I've got experience in these matters. Do you have any idea what it's like for people to steal your work? Have you ever been the artist who found some bootleg website selling your paintings as prints on a shirt, while you ate soup to stave off your hunger? Bringing my experience into this, making this personal, is only going to hurt you if you want to try and disregard me.

You are continuing to do exactly as I said you were: treat me like a peon not worthy of being listened to."

(3) "You can take that as "add a clause that states that Green Dragon can do what he wants, it's his wiki and what he says goes," or you can take that as "edit policy to, yes, make sure that staff do the necessary work to act in good faith and from a knowledgeable position to respect creativity and the original works that are born on this website.""

Respectively in the order of the warning. --Green Dragon (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2019 (MDT)

Okay, I think I understand your reasoning a bit better. Am I correct when I say that you take issue more with the specific way Max chose to word the above quotes, and not the actual idea that was communicated? — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 13:26, 3 June 2019 (MDT)

While I appreciate the sentiment, Geodude, please don't put yourself under unnecessary risk on my behalf. It's all a matter of perspective. For the first, I stand by what I said, and there's plenty of evidence to support it. Again, unfortunately for me, a lot of it is in the Discord where I can't reach it and it apparently doesn't count. For the second, maybe I misinterpreted what you meant, but you weren't exactly clear on your intended meaning if that's what happened. I, again, stand by that my perspective is of being treated like what I say or think doesn't matter, and that it doesn't mean anything to you if I have valid points or not. That's how it looks to me, honestly. If that isn't the case, I would only be too glad to hear it, as it seems we're both not very good with text conversation if that's the case. The third is made out of anger, and I will apologize for it, but I'm not removing it or changing it. Context is important, and if I look like an idiot by my own hand, it's important that other people see that too. --Max7238 (talk) 13:31, 3 June 2019 (MDT)

Adminship

How would you feel about being nominated by me for adminship on D&D Wiki?--GamerAim (talk) 18:06, 4 June 2019 (MDT)

Surprised, concerned, worried, terrified; in that order. I'm surely not well liked around here for one thing. For another, as Green Dragon himself stated, I don't have many edits or experience on the wiki. And third, even if I wanted to and might be good at it, my every intention is to return to lurking once this deletion policy talk is over. I doubt I'd be active enough or liked enough to warrant such a position, but I would accept the responsibility if it was given to me.--Max7238 (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2019 (MDT)

That's all fair and I respect it. I hope life returns to chill when this is all over 8) --GamerAim (talk) 07:53, 5 June 2019 (MDT)

I don't mind you at all! I'm just very cautious about changing a policy, especially to the likes of someone with ideas but not the sweat and experience of making it work. As a note, an admin nominee should have more than 1000 edits (not a requirement). --Green Dragon (talk) 08:41, 5 June 2019 (MDT)

I feel Max is too new to be an admin currently, though if he sticks around I could see him being admin material in the future. He's indicated his wishes to leave the site, though, so that's probably not relevant. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 23:49, 5 June 2019 (MDT)

Just passing by with some encouragement

Hey, I just wanted to drop by and say your contribs show you can kick editing butt (no better way to put it, plebeian here)! I'm not gonna prod at any of the heated stuff ^^;. Just saw Soulbringer and I think it's a great way to bring your own material into the wiki! --Yanied (talk) 21:02, 6 June 2019 (MDT)

I appreciate it. As it happens, I'm an aspiring novelist, and my process involves (for lack of a better term) doin' it live! I don't usually write more than one draft of anything, and I can type like a fiend, so I end up churning out LOADS of content very quickly. The downside is that it can often take a long time spent "gathering energy" for the next burst. Looking for inspiration, finding the right music for that amp'd-up frenzy, concept work, and so on. Anything I ever post on this wiki, or anywhere else, is the product of months or years of work behind the scenes. What you see, even in my editing history, is just the result of my having the time and motivation to blurt it out. Not easy with the depression :P --Max7238 (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2019 (MDT)

Ah yeah, I saw the bit about your series on your user page. But I didn't know about the depression bit though. Sorry to hear about that. But there are people here you can talk to if you ever need it. It takes a bit to get used to some of the seemingly disparate user base but there's willing help. --Yanied (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2019 (MDT)

Oh wow, that makes two of us. On the Depression part I mean. I've had fluctuating energies for a lot of things, even a few pages on this Wiki, that get random amounts of energy devoted to it. While I'm still strong on one particular franchise, I am doing what I can to the other things I care about.

If you ever want to talk, you can hit me up on my page. I've been around the block myself (as awful as it sounds, now that I think about it) so I'm fine with helping where I can. :) Nightmares are dreams too... (talk) 23:18, 6 June 2019 (MDT)

Talking doesn't help me. My problems stem from being stuck living in a city/state I hate for about twelve years or so now. I plan to check out at age 30 (turned 26 last month) if I still haven't found a way to change my circumstances. Til then, I've got twelve novels to write (eleven to go), I wanna try and find a job to sponsor a work visa in Japan (I already speak the language), and I kinda need to find a wife. If my books take off, if I can get out of this friggin city, or if I find hope for a family that doesn't break up like mine did, I'll stick around. Otherwise, long as I stay on schedule with the books, I'll be out of here for good in four years. Plenty of time to change my own mind - keeps the brain quiet (used to tell me to jump out my window, bike into traffic, the like), and acts as a terminal illness instead of a daily hindrance. But I appreciate the offers. --Max7238 (talk) 23:25, 6 June 2019 (MDT)

Yeouch, yeah that's definitely rough. Not to sound insensitive, but that's plenty of time. So you plan to appeal to the Japanese market with your novel?--Yanied (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

In fairness, I'm in a similar boat. I'm with people I'd rather not be around, finding the means to improve my life isn't easy, my best chance at changing everything I keep putting off (mostly because it's a fan-work, and gaining any traction is already difficult in such a sea), looking for love (even more difficult, considering I show off the fact I have serious problems on the cover), not to mention the fact I have to deal with the sins of others while I'm stuck in my current situation. I have thought about how to be "rid" of all my baggage myself. What keeps me grounded is the fact that said fan-Project I'm working on is something I find engrossing, as it does keep my mind quiet as well. Considering the source too, I've got 26 characters worked out and an idea on how to tell everything. And I may not even be done in the character-making department, considering what I plan to do further. It makes me feel calmer knowing that I've got something to look forward to, even if it's small.

Still, helping out when possible is always a sign that maybe something good, no matter how little, still exists. :)Nightmares are dreams too... (talk) 04:22, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

I'm writing in English, but if I find time, my stories would make good Japanese light-novel series too.

I understand the sentiment. Having a project to work on, something to make you feel useful somehow, is a big deal. Rather than try to be rid of my baggage, I carry the weight of others (my friends, people who approach for help) and it makes me stronger mentally. The only reasons I'm alive are dumb pride and determination. Dumb pride because I believe I have important things to say, hence the novels. Determination is just a fancy way to say I'm the most stubborn person I've ever met. --Max7238 (talk) 07:03, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

Whatever can keep oneself going I suppose. If possible, I would have recommended the JET program to go to Japan but it's entirely different if you're looking to work there... --Yanied (talk) 10:42, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

Your userpage

Hey, I’ve undone the recent additions to your userpage. I understand you’re frustrated, but making negative comments about other users like you did doesn’t help anything. Just because you believe others are being disrespectful towards you doesn’t give you carte blanche to be rude back. I’ll refrain from warning you over this, but please try to be constructive. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 09:37, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

I am as life: you get out what you put in. And this site, by disrespecting the creators it draws life from, is disrespecting me. The fact that individual users seem ok with that, and perpetuate it, makes it their own fault. Warn me all you want; it's clear no one with the power to actually do something cares. Or perhaps not enough of such people. --Max7238 (talk) 10:40, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

This is a warning for your reply above. Please remain civil. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:13, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

I'm genuinely curious as to why you're warning Max about that response. I don't see how or why it would warrant a "Warning" of any kind. Nightmares are dreams too... (talk) 23:17, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

Max is showing a clear lack of respect for his previous warnings and a refusal to admit fault ("Warn me all you want" - his own words). He is making baseless, unfounded accusations of impropriety towards the userbase and administration of the wiki. Moreover, he is impugning the honor of this website. That kind of behavior cannot and will not be tolerated. GD has a valid basis for warning him. Based Quincy (talk) 23:41, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

I didn't think there was a policy regulating what users said about the site. I've seen other user pages that weren't exactly giving a gracious image of the wiki or community either (Eiji(?) and one other user come to mind). I'm not being disrespectful, I hope, but I just saw that others didn't exactly have their messages scrubbed either.--Yanied (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2019 (MDT)

Per our civility policy, "Incivility consists of personal attacks, rudeness, and aggressive behaviors that disrupt the project and lead to unproductive stress and conflict. Incivility is disruptive and unacceptable, and as such D&Dwiki follows a zero-tolerance policy towards rude and uncivil behavior." I could have warned for the rant posted to the userpage, but elected not to because I felt that would only serve to further inflame the situation, and felt it would be better to give a reminder "hey, not cool." Since Max decided to double down on his improper behavior, I see the warning as appropriate. On the other hand, there's room to argue that since he didn't name any names or direct his accusations at any specific users and just stated that an ill-defined group of users is acting improperly, he didn't breach behavioral policy, though that's not a position I personally agree with. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 20:25, 12 June 2019 (MDT)

I calls 'em as I sees 'em --Max7238 (talk) 20:28, 12 June 2019 (MDT)

Perhaps you should consider toning down the "brutal" in "brutal honesty." Sometimes it's better not to call a spade a spade. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 20:36, 12 June 2019 (MDT)

Flowery words don't change the meaning or intention of a statement. That happens to also be why I'm so pissed off at people around here. You can sound as high-brow as you want, a spade is still a spade. --Max7238 (talk) 21:57, 12 June 2019 (MDT)

Max7238 stated on his userpage that active users do not value creativity. This is belittling to all users on D&D Wiki, and then when he reaffirmed his intentions, he had not seen his wrongdoing. A good point to help him learn his lesson. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2019 (MDT)

Policy Changes

Your commentary on the dullahan motivated me to let you know if you want to see changes, you have to stay on top of the topic. I've had it numerous times I've brought something up and while I feel like I'm ignored I've chalked it up to parties becoming busy and something sliding through the cracks. So, if you got the drive, determination, and diligence to seem something changed, stay on it.   ~BigShotFancyMan   talk   11:57, 24 October 2019 (MDT)

It unsettles me that you would suggest that two weeks of doggedly pursuing any and all debate with anyone who even mentioned the topic where I could see it wasn't "staying on top of the topic." If being consistently angry in my daily life for days on end, reading talk pages and policy pages five to ten times over, and engaging the discussion until no one else would engage with me isn't enough... Then it will go unchanged. It was made clear to me before that I'm no one worth listening to, that my arguments and statements would be blithely mischaracterized before being used against me, and that not enough people with the power to change things cared to. It just seems as though any of my suggestions would be "too much work" for the current staff, or put too much responsibility with them - just as I picked up from the discussion, if I remember correctly. --Max7238 (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2019 (MDT)

I started rambling and talking in circles. Figured I would spare you. I didn't suggest you didn't do it, I suggested that you do do it. I can't recall the last time the deletion thing came up meaning you stopped. I am sorry people stopped engaging you; I probably assumed there'd be no middle ground and with a hectic schedule didn't prioritize the issue (or the wiki for that matter). Last I knew, Guy suggested something but there was no agreement. I've certainly necroed a topic over a month old because people stopped engaging it, and even posted on the admin page because I think every admin watches it, and non-admins too. So, it isn't an insult to suggest staying on top of it; I simply haven't seen any posts for months about it.   ~BigShotFancyMan   talk   12:27, 24 October 2019 (MDT)

And for good reason. There is no middle ground. I think if someone creates a page, does the vast majority of work on it, then requests it be deleted, it should be deleted. Fixing grammar or wikifying it a bit (A BIT, not salvaging an awful page abandoned for months) shouldn't suddenly make someone a "primary contributor," and even then if the primary contributor(s) agree it should be deleted, it should be deleted. Regardless of what anyone else thinks. No one else owns the idea, especially if it's a page created under fair use or from existing myth or whatever. Actually, even more so if it's a wholly original idea! Sure, once a page has been worked on by several people, a different person has created the page from who wrote the history or society or other fluff, three other people used the article in playtest and edited it to be more balanced, etc, yeah, I get it! Community project at that point! I don't get why- Wait. Stop. Rambling, repeating myself; this is pointless. You know the talk, you were there. --Max7238 (talk) 12:33, 24 October 2019 (MDT)

I'll reply later but here is an example of a topic forgotten and I've been too busy to necro: Talk:Main Page#Page Appreciation. 3 months no reply. GD is not that rude to simply ignore that long and has done a good job replying in my opinion. I just need to stay on top of it, IF I think it is still important. (I do but the community doesn't soooooooooo)   ~BigShotFancyMan   talk   12:38, 24 October 2019 (MDT)