Golf a number bigger than Loader's number

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As a follow up to Shortest terminating program whose output size exceeds Graham's number and Golf a number bigger than TREE(3), I present a new challenge.

Loader's number is a very large number, that is kind of hard to explain (since it was itself the result of a code golfing exercise with a flexible goal). There is a definition and explanation here, but for the purposes of self-containment, I will attempt to explain it later in this post as well.

The algorithm Ralph Loader used produces one of the largest numbers of any (computable) algorithm ever written! Indeed, Loader's number is the largest "computable" number on the Googology Wiki. (By "computable" number, they mean a number defined in terms of a computation.) That means that if answer produces a number larger than Loader's number in an interesting way (i.e. not just Loader's number+1), you could go down in Googology history! That being said, programs that produce something like Loader's number+1 are definitely valid answers and contenders to this question; just don't expect any fame.

Your job is to create a terminating program that produces a number larger than Loader's number. This is , so the shortest program wins!

  • You aren't allowed to take input.
  • Your program must eventually terminate deterministically but you can assume the machine has infinite memory.
  • You may assume your language's number type can hold any finite value but need to explain how this exactly works in your language (ex: does a float have infinite precision?)
    • Infinities are not allowed as output.
    • Underflow of a number type throws an exception. It does not wrap around.
  • You need to provide an explanation of why your number is so big and an ungolfed version of your code to check if your solution is valid (since there is no computer with enough memory to store Loader's number).

So here is an explanation of Loader's number. See http://googology.wikia.com/wiki/Loader%27s_number and the links therein for more precise details. In particular, it contains a program that produces Loader's number exactly (by definition).

The calculus of constructions is essentially a programming language with very particular properties.

First of all, every syntactically valid program terminates. There are no infinite loops. This will be very useful, because it means that if we run an arbitrary calculus of constructions program, our program will not get stuck. The problem is that this implies the calculus of constructions is not Turing complete.

Second of all, among non-Turing complete languages, it is one of the most powerful. Essentially, if you can prove that a Turing machine will halt on every input, you can program a function in the calculus of constructions that will simulate it. (This does not make it turing complete, because there are halting turing machines that you can not prove are halting.)

Loader's number is essentially a busy beaver number for the calculus of constructions, which is possible to compute since all coc programs terminate.

In particular, loader.c defines a function called D. Approximately, D(x) iterates over all bit-strings less than x, interprets them as a coc programs, runs the syntactically valid ones, and concatenates the results (which will also be bitstrings). It returns this concatenation.

Loader's number is D(D(D(D(D(99))))).

A more readable copy of the code from the googolology wiki

int r, a;

P(y,x){return y- ~y<<x;}

Z(x){return r = x % 2 ? 0 : 1 + Z (x / 2 );}

L(x){return x/2 >> Z(x);}

S(v,y,c,t){
   int f = L(t);         
   int x = r;
   return f-2 ? f>2 ? f-v ? t-(f>v)*c : y : P(f,P(S(v,y,c,L(x)), S(v+2,t=S(4,13,-4,y),c,Z(x)))) : A(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v,y,c,Z(x)));
}

A(y,x){return L(y)-1 ? 5<<P(y,x) : S(4,x,4,Z(r));}

D(x) 
{
   int f;
   int d;
   int c=0;
   int t=7;
   int u=14;
   while(x&&D(x-1),(x/=2)%2&&(1)){
      d = L(L(D(x))),
      f = L(r),
      x = L(r),
      c - r||(L(u)||L(r)-f||(x/=2)%2&&(u=S(4,d,4, r),t=A(t,d)),f/2&(x/=2)%2&&(c=P(d,c),t=S(4,13,-4,t),u=S(4,13,-4,u))),
      c&&(x/=2)%2&&(t=P(~u&2|(x/=2)%2&&(u=1<<P(L(c),u)),P(L(c),t)),c=r)
      u/2&(x/=2)%2&&(c=P(t,c),u=S(4,13,-4,t),t=9);
    }
    return a = P( P( t, P( u, P( x, c)) ),a);
}

main(){return D(D(D(D(D(99)))));}

PyRulez

Posted 2018-12-03T20:34:43.617

Reputation: 6 547

You know Googology Wiki? I'm MilkyWay90 there! – MilkyWay90 – 2018-12-03T23:39:35.230

@MilkyWay90 oh, cool. – PyRulez – 2018-12-03T23:57:07.660

6I would advise against downvoting this for similarity to the TREE(3) question: Loader's number is so much larger than TREE(3) that new and interesting approaches are required. – lirtosiast – 2018-12-04T01:00:07.810

@Spitemaster Why do you say that? Since this is [tag:code-golf], you need to beat the other answers to be competitive. So if someone else posts a 512 byte answer, you have to beat 512 bytes to win. It's not just whoever posts an answer first. (Also, for the sake of pendantory, the original program is not valid, since answers need to produce a number larger than Loader's number.) – PyRulez – 2018-12-04T01:16:09.163

@Spitemaster Some people also participate in languages simply to try and get the minimum possible for that language – fəˈnɛtɪk – 2018-12-04T02:56:55.150

The thing is the only interesting answers would be if someone discovers and proves a larger number than loader's number (which isnt just loader's number +x) or if someone uses a language which it is really hard to implement loader's number in. – fəˈnɛtɪk – 2018-12-04T03:10:11.623

2@fəˈnɛtɪk Well, printing Loader's number + 1 is still interesting from a code golf perspective (for example, can you beat the original 512 bytes?) There are also some natural generalizations of loader's number that might be easier to implement (for example, using ZFC instead of CoC). Also, Greedy clique sequences or finite promise games could be used. – PyRulez – 2018-12-04T03:24:05.053

2Unfortunately, as I don't understand the construction of Loader's number and there does not seem to be known upper bounds in terms of the fast growing hierarchy, I cannot give any good answers here. I believe that most answers will be either extensions of Loader's number or things such as the greedy clique sequences and finite promise games... – Simply Beautiful Art – 2018-12-04T12:33:34.660

1@SimplyBeautifulArt Oh boy, if you don't understand it, that doesn't bode well for this challenge. :P I could try explaining it in more detail to you in chat, but I also do not know any hierarchy upper bounds. – PyRulez – 2018-12-04T16:36:22.477

1@SimplyBeautifulArt In particular, since Loader's constant was specifically chosen to try to be the biggest number generated by a certain amount of code (where as Graham's number and TREE(3) at just mathematically interesting numbers that just so happen to be large), I think most answers will just be Loader's number + 1. – PyRulez – 2018-12-04T16:38:23.050

I added a somewhat more readable copy of the code from the wiki to make it easier to implement loader's number if nothing else – fəˈnɛtɪk – 2018-12-05T01:47:45.840

@fəˈnɛtɪk thanks – PyRulez – 2018-12-05T01:48:54.903

@fəˈnɛtɪk Also see https://github.com/rcls/busy

– PyRulez – 2018-12-05T15:49:19.637

1Yeah. To make the point even more obviously, Loader's number is the last entry given as a number produced by a computable function in the Googology wikia i.e. there are no non-trivial computable functions that beat it. – Simply Beautiful Art – 2018-12-05T20:20:20.567

@SimplyBeautifulArt There are, just no one has made numbers out of them, check e.g. finite promise games

– Wojowu – 2018-12-24T14:31:30.350

Both greedy clique sequences and finite promise games look very difficult to write an algorithm for. I think for now this is likely going to be a game of who can make a slightly modified Loader's Number implementation in the least bytes – ThePlasmaRailgun – 2019-05-17T22:02:20.547

Lately, p進大好きbot posted a computable function that reached f_PTO(ZFC) in FGH on Googology Wiki. I doubt anyone could write it shorter than loader.c and translationa – Naruyoko – 2019-09-08T14:53:15.353

I'm assuming that this can't be answered with a trivial unsigned long x[-1U/32],c;f(){while(c<-1UL)while(++x[c])x[c+1]++,x[c+1]*=x[c];c++;}? – S.S. Anne – 2020-01-18T00:54:50.080

Answers

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JavaScript, D^6(9) (508 501 495 492 487 485 481 bytes)

_='r=a=0,PN,yEx-~x<<y,ZNEr=x%2?0:1+ZC>>1@LNEx/2>>ZC@S=Bt,f=Ht@x=rEf-2?f>2?f-v?t-(f>v)*c:y:Ff,FSO(v+2,t8y@c,ZCMM:A(AOBZC)GAN,yELC)-1?5<<PC,y):Iy,4,Z(rGDN,f,dQ=0,t=7,u=14Eeval("whileC&&DC-1@61Md=HHDC)Gf=Hr@x=Hr@c-r||(Hu)||Hr)-f||6u=Id,4,r@t=A(t,dGfJdQ@t8t@u8u)Gc&&6t=F~u&2|6u=1<<FHc@uGFHc@tGc=r@uJtQ@u8t@t=9);a=FFt,Fu,PCQ)Ga)"@KKK9MMM6C>>=1)%2&&(8=I13,-4,G)@@),B(v,yQ,N=COBLCGSC(xE)=>J/2&6c=FFP(HL(IS(4,KD(D(M))Q,c';for(Y of $='QMKIHFJECONB@G86')with(_.split(Y))_=join(pop());eval(_)

This is an encoded code.

_='r=a=0,PN,yEx-~x<<y,ZNEr=x%2?0:1+ZC>>1@LNEx/2>>ZC@S=Bt,f=Ht@x=rEf-2?f>2?f-v?t-(f>v)*c:y:Ff,FSO(v+2,t8y@c,ZCMM:A(AOBZC)GAN,yELC)-1?5<<PC,y):Iy,4,Z(rGDN,f,dQ=0,t=7,u=14Eeval("whileC&&DC-1@61Md=HHDC)Gf=Hr@x=Hr@c-r||(Hu)||Hr)-f||6u=Id,4,r@t=A(t,dGfJdQ@t8t@u8u)Gc&&6t=F~u&2|6u=1<<FHc@uGFHc@tGc=r@uJtQ@u8t@t=9);a=FFt,Fu,PCQ)Ga)"@KKK9MMM6C>>=1)%2&&(8=I13,-4,G)@@),B(v,yQ,N=COBLCGSC(xE)=>J/2&6c=FFP(HL(IS(4,KD(D(M))Q,c'; //encoded code
for(Y of $='QMKIHFJECONB@G86')with(_.split(Y))_=join(pop()); //decoding algorithm
eval(_) //Evaluation of the string

Decoded code:

r=a=0,P=(x,y)=>x-~x<<y,Z=(x)=>r=x%2?0:1+Z(x>>1),L=(x)=>x/2>>Z(x),S=(v,y,c,t,f=L(t),x=r)=>f-2?f>2?f-v?t-(f>v)*c:y:P(f,P(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v+2,t=S(4,13,-4,y),c,Z(x)))):A(A(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v,y,c,Z(x))),A=(x,y)=>L(x)-1?5<<P(x,y):S(4,y,4,Z(r)),D=(x,f,d,c=0,t=7,u=14)=>eval("while(x&&D(x-1),(x>>=1)%2&&(1))d=L(L(D(x))),f=L(r),x=L(r),c-r||(L(u)||L(r)-f||(x>>=1)%2&&(u=S(4,d,4,r),t=A(t,d)),f/2&(x>>=1)%2&&(c=P(d,c),t=S(4,13,-4,t),u=S(4,13,-4,u))),c&&(x>>=1)%2&&(t=P(~u&2|(x>>=1)%2&&(u=1<<P(L(c),u)),P(L(c),t)),c=r),u/2&(x>>=1)%2&&(c=P(t,c),u=S(4,13,-4,t),t=9);a=P(P(t,P(u,P(x,c))),a)"),D(D(D(D(D(D(9))))))

Decoded, ungolfed code(conditions and stuff are kept from loader.c):

var r=a=0;
function P(y,x){
  return y-~y<<x;
}
function Z(x){
  return r=x%2?0:1+Z(x>>1);
}
function L(x){
  return x/2>>Z(x);
}
function S(v,y,c,t){
  var f=L(t),x=r;
  return f-2?
           f>2?
             f-v?
               t-(f>v)*c
               :y
             :P(f,P(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v+2,t=S(4,13,-4,y),c,Z(x))))
           :A(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v,y,c,Z(x)))
}
function A(y,x){
  return L(y)-1?
         5<<P(y,x):
         S(4,x,4,Z(r));
}
function D(x){
  var f,
      d,
      c=0,
      t=7,
      u=14;
  while(x&&D(x-1),(x>>=1)%2&&(1))
    d=L(L(D(x))),
    f=L(r),
    x=L(r),
    c-r||(
      L(u)||L(r)-f||
      (x>>=1)%2&&(
        u=S(4,d,4,r),t=A(t,d)
      ),
      f/2&(x>>=1)%2&&(
        c=P(d,c),
        t=S(4,13,-4,t),
        u=S(4,13,-4,u)
      )
    ),
    c&&(x>>=1)%2&&(
      t=P(
        ~u&2|(x>>=1)%2&&(
          u=1<<P(L(c),u)
        ),
        P(L(c),t)
      ),
      c=r
    ),
    u/2&(x>>=1)%2&&(
      c=P(t,c),
      u=S(4,13,-4,t),
      t=9
    );
  return a=P(P(t,P(u,P(x,c))),a)
};
D(D(D(D(D(D(9))))))

In this, it is assumed to be:

  • Infinite call stack
  • Infinite memory
  • Infinite precision Number
  • Infinite magnitude Number
  • Bitshift and bitwise operators works on infinite bit integers instead of 53 bits. Bitwise negation still negates the sign bit.

Encoding/Decoding algorithm:

The encoding is done as follows:

  • Take a repeated string, call it S.
  • Replace all S in the code to a key K.
  • Put K and S at the end.
  • Make a list of keys, and also put decoding algorithm so the code actually runs.

The decoding algorithm:

  • Take list of keys.
  • Take the earliest key K.
  • Split the string for each K.
  • Since last of the array is what to replace K S, pop it, and replace all K by joining the array with the popped value S.

The compression was done with this code, check only the last box. Since this will encode the largest save first, it is not the most efficient compression, but I don't know how to make it smaller either so meh.

JavaScript, (339 chars)

eval("_㴧爽愽〬偍ⱹ䕸⵾砼㱹ⱚ䵅爽砥㈿〺ㄫ婃㸾ㅀ䱍䕸⼲㸾婃䁓㵂琬昽䡴䁸㵲䕦ⴲ㽦㸲㽦⵶㽴⴨显瘩⩣㩹㩆昬䙓丨瘫㈬琸祀挬婃䭋㩁⡁乂婃⥇䅍ⱹ䕌䌩ⴱ㼵㰼偃ⱹ⤺匨㐬礬㐬娨片䑍ⱦⱤⱣ㴰ⱴ㴷Ⱶ㴱㑅敶慬⠢睨楬敃☦䑃ⴱ䀶ㅋ搽䡈䑃⥇昽䡲䁸㵈牀挭牼簨䡵⥼籈爩ⵦ籼㙵㵓⠴ⱤⰴⱲ䁴㵁⡴Ɽ䝦䥤Ᵽ䁴㡴䁵㡵⥇挦☶琽䙾甦㉼㙵㴱㰼䙈捀畇䙈捀瑇挽牀畉琬捀甸瑀琽㤩㭡㵆䙴ⱆ甬偃Ᵽ⥇愩≀䩊䨹䭋䬶䌾㸽ㄩ┲☦⠸㵓⠴ⰱ㌬ⴴⱇ⥀䀩ⱂ⡶ⱹⱣⱍ㵃乂䱃䝓䌨硅⤽㹉⼲☶挽䙆倨䡌⡊䐨䐨䬩⤧㭦潲⡙映␽❋䩈䙉䕃乍䉀䜸㘧⥷楴栨弮獰汩琨天⥟㵪潩渨灯瀨⤩㭥癡氨弩".split``.map(a=>(d=String.fromCharCode)((c=a.charCodeAt())>>8)+d(c&255)).join``.slice(1))

This code will take the 16bit string as a, converts it to 8bit string with same binary(BE), and eval it.

The decoded code is the encoded code above.

Proof that D^6(9)>D^5(99)

For this, we would compare D(9) and 99.

By manually running the code, D(9) is found equal to (15*2^14849+1)*2^((15*2^14849+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^929+1)*2^((15*2^929+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^((15*2^59+1)*2^(15*2^59+1)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), and even D(0) is equal to 8646911284551352321.

So, D(9)>>>99, and because D is strictly increasing, D^6(9)>D^5(99).

  • 508B->501B, -7B
    • -1B for... I don't know why. I did change D(D(D(D(D(99))))) to D(D(D(D(D(D(9)))))). Also that shuffled the letters.
    • -6B for re-adding &&(1) for D(x)'s loop condition.
  • 501B->495B, -6B
    • Fixed most /2s to >>1s because Number
    • 6 byte save from somewhere
    • You can see my attempt in this update here
  • 495->492B, -3B
    • By changing the decoder from for...in to for...of.
  • 492->487B, -5B
    • Removing unnecessary assignments
    • Changing argument names
  • 487->485B, -2B
    • 1 byte from using eval for D, removing return.
    • 1 byte compression combining the closing parentheses to a comma.
  • 485->481B, -4B
    • By compressing different substrings.

Naruyoko

Posted 2018-12-03T20:34:43.617

Reputation: 459

Or easily pass it with equal length by replaceing 99 with M9, which makes the value D^6(9). – Naruyoko – 2019-04-26T13:53:10.147

0

Python 3, D^6(9) (608 600 599 bytes)

_='r=a=0?CM:#y-~y<<x?H6@r=0.EB1+HI)#r?Fx):#xI>>H)?8t6@TtNr#A(U8HG).f==2BCf,CUS(v+2,/yNc,HGG.f<2Bt-(f>v)*c.f-vBy?A(M:#5<<CM.Fy)-1BOx,4,Z(rG?Jx6,a@f=d=c=0@VW7,14@while 1:@.x:Jx-1)X~E:breakKd,TFJxGNFrNFr)@.c-r:K.not(Fu)or(Fr)-fGQ.E:WOd,4,rRA(Vd)K.fIQ.Yd,cR/t);W/u)@.c:@!.EQ q=~u&2|EK .q:W1<<CFuNu)K  Vc=Cq and u,CFcNtG,rXuI&YVc);W/tR9@a=CCVCu,Cx,cGNa)#a\nprint(JJJJJJ9GGG)X\n!if !  x=xIK#@return . if /O13,-4,6):@global r8S(v,y,c,?\ndef Q:K! K@ @\n B else CP(YE:c=CEx%2Tf,x=FFL(U8FxG,G))HZ(xI>>1JD(My,x)N),OS(4,R);t=Vt,Wu='
for Y in 'WVRONMJIHGUFTEYCB@KQ?86/.#!X':_=_.split(Y);_=_.pop().join(_)
exec(_)

This is an encoded code. Extracted:

r=a=0
def P(y,x):
 return y-~y<<x
def Z(x):
 global r
 r=0 if x%2 else 1+Z(x>>1)
 return r
def L(x):
 return x>>1>>Z(x)
def S(v,y,c,t):
 global r
 f,x=L(t),r
 return A(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v,y,c,Z(x))) if f==2 else P(f,P(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v+2,S(4,13,-4,y),c,Z(x)))) if f<2 else t-(f>v)*c if f-v else y
def A(y,x):
 return 5<<P(y,x) if L(y)-1 else S(4,x,4,Z(r))
def D(x):
 global r,a
 f=d=c=0
 t,u=7,14
 while 1:
  if x:D(x-1)
  x=x>>1
  if ~x%2:break
  d,f,x=L(L(D(x))),L(r),L(r)
  if c-r:
   if not(L(u)or(L(r)-f)):
    x=x>>1
    if x%2:u=S(4,d,4,r);t=A(t,d)
   if f>>1:
    x=x>>1
    if x%2:c=P(d,c);t=S(4,13,-4,t);u=S(4,13,-4,u)
  if c:
   x=x>>1
   if x%2:
    x=x>>1
    q=~u&2|x%2
    if q:u=1<<P(L(u),u)
    t,c=P(q and u,P(L(c),t)),r
  x=x>>1
  if u>>1&x%2:c=P(t,c);u=S(4,13,-4,t);t=9
 a=P(P(t,P(u,P(x,c))),a)
 return a
print(D(D(D(D(D(D(9)))))))

In this, it is assumed to be:

  • Infinite call stack
  • Infinite memory

This is basically a port of my JavaScript answer. For more details, check that one.

The compression was done with this.

I am not very knowledgeable in Python, so there are certainly places to save bytes. I think sub-600 is possible. sub-600 has been proven.

  • 608->600B, -8B
    • Grouped some assignments
    • Reversed conditions of S to reduce parenthesis
  • 600->599B, -1B
    • Changing u/2 in the third last line of the definition of D to u>>1, saving a byte from compressing it to a character with other >>1s.

Naruyoko

Posted 2018-12-03T20:34:43.617

Reputation: 459

0

Ruby, D^6(9) (553 bytes)

_='F=$a=0TEK#y-~yUx.Z@#F=x%2G1?0R1+Z(x/2).L@#x/2>>Z@.8t)VHt);x=F#fG2?A(8L@C8Z@IRf>2?fGv ?yRt-(f>v ?1R0)*cREf,E8L@CS(v+2,t6yCc,Z@I).A(K#Hy)G1?Mx,4,Z(FIR5UEK.D@;$>UxVd=c=0;t=7;u=14;while[xNOx-1CB>0][1];d=HHD@IVW;x=W;cGF&&[Hu)G0&&WGf&&![u=Md,4,FCt=A(t,d)],fJd,cCt6tCu6u)]];cNB&&[t=E~u&2|!(u=1UEHcCu)CEHcCt)Cc=F];uJt,cCu6tCt=9]Q#$a=EEt,Eu,Ex,cIC$a)Q;$>UOOOOOO9III!BN#;return .QT6=M13,-4,8S(v,y,c,@(x)B(x/=2)%2C),J/2&![c=EEP(F$rNG0||G==WHF)HL(I))Ky,x)MS(4,OD(Q;endR: T;def U<<V;f=VUTRQOMKIHWGNFEJCB@86.#!'.each_char{|Y|_=_.split(Y);_=_.join(_.pop())};eval(_)

This is an encoded code. Extracted:

$r=$a=0;def P(y,x);return y-~y<<x;end;def Z(x);return $r=x%2==1?0: 1+Z(x/2);end;def L(x);return x/2>>Z(x);end;def S(v,y,c,t);f=L(t);x=$r;return f==2?A(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v,y,c,Z(x))): f>2?f==v ?y: t-(f>v ?1: 0)*c: P(f,P(S(v,y,c,L(x)),S(v+2,t=S(4,13,-4,y),c,Z(x))));end;def A(y,x);return L(y)==1?S(4,x,4,Z($r)): 5<<P(y,x);end;def D(x);$><<x;f=d=c=0;t=7;u=14;while[x==0||D(x-1),(x/=2)%2>0][1];d=L(L(D(x)));f=L($r);x=L($r);c==$r&&[L(u)==0&&L($r)==f&&(x/=2)%2==0||[u=S(4,d,4,$r),t=A(t,d)],f/2&(x/=2)%2==0||[c=P(d,c),t=S(4,13,-4,t),u=S(4,13,-4,u)]];c==0||(x/=2)%2&&[t=P(~u&2|(x/=2)%2==0||(u=1<<P(L(c),u)),P(L(c),t)),c=$r];u/2&(x/=2)%2==0||[c=P(t,c),u=S(4,13,-4,t),t=9];end;return $a=P(P(t,P(u,P(x,c))),$a);end;$><<D(D(D(D(D(D(9))))))

This code is Loader's Number with D6(9) instead.

In this, it is assumed to be:

  • Infinite call stack
  • Infinite memory

This is basically a port of my JavaScript answer and Python 3 answer. For more details, check those.

The compression was done with this (may appear as it doesn't exist).

I am a beginner at Ruby, so maybe under 512 is possible, but I doubt it.

Naruyoko

Posted 2018-12-03T20:34:43.617

Reputation: 459

0

Python, 498 bytes, ???

I don't know how large this program would get.

Okay, I've had a few failed attempts on this, but I think I've got it this time. First, the code:

from itertools import product as X
C=[1,0]
V=[9]
r=range
L=list
def R(n):
    C[0]=1
    while C[0]:
        C[0]=0
        for m in r(V[0]):P(m,n)
        if(C[0]<1)+(C[1]<len(V)):P(C[1],n,1)
    return sum(V)
def P(m,n,B=0,T=0):
    if m==len(V):V.append(0)
    k=m+n;c=r(k)
    for M in X(*[L(X(*[L(X(c,c,[-1,0,1]))]*k))]*k):
        t={};u=p=s=d=1
        while d:
            s,c,d=M[s][t.get(p,0)];t[p]=c;p+=d;u+=1
            if u>sum(V):u=d=0
        T+=u
    if T>V[m]:C[0]=V[m]=T;C[1]=min(C[1],m+1)
    if B>C[0]:V[m]+=1;P(m,n,1)
z=9**9
exec("z=R(z);"*R(z))
print(z)

Explanation:

This function simulates all Turing machines with n states and n colours for a number of steps (initially 9), then sums the number of steps that it took for any machine that halted to halt, storing that value as the number of steps to take on the next iteration. It keeps doing this until it reaches a steady state.

We don't just look at machines that have n states and colours, but also n+1, n+2, up to n+V[0], where V[0] is the sum of the halting times for the machines with n states and colours.

So far, I've just described a function which is polynomial at best. Notably, it grows slower than the busy beaver function on these Turing machines. Thus, we can be confident that there is at least one machine of size n which halts but we have not yet found. So we search for that one (this function is undefined on inputs which are too small).

Once we find it, we continue on as we were. We'll reach another steady state. This time, we can't be confident that there is another halting Turing machine of size n, but as BB(n+1)>F(BB(n)) for any reasonable polynomial function F (which this is), we can be confident that there is a halting Turing machine of size n+1 which we have not found. If we then find a halting machine of size n, we know that we can perform this step on n+1 again.

We repeat this process until we've attempted this on every size of machine we're looking at (from n to n+V[0]), and thus can no longer be confident that there is a machine that halts of those sizes that we have not seen.

While this number is certainly less than BB(n), I'm not sure how one would go about determining just how big it is. The guarantee that it halts is basically "BB(n) grows much faster than this does". I'm fairly confident that's a safe assumption for values of R(n) greater than, say, R(5).

Here's a less golfed version with comments:

from itertools import product as X
 # C[0] is 1 or 0 representing a change, so keep looping
 # C[1] is the next machine that needs to search.
C=[1,0]
 # V[x] is the total steps taken by the machine with n+x colours and states
V=[9]
def R(n):
    while C[0]:
        C[0]=0
        # Run each set of machines sum(V) steps.
        for m in range(V[0]):P(m,n)
        # Run machine set C[1] sum(V) steps, then run it until one more machine stops.
        if C[0]<1 and C[1]<len(V):P(C[1],n,1)
    return sum(V)
 # Run one set of machines with m+n colours and states.
def P(m,n,B=0):
    if m==len(V):V.append(0)
    # Start our total at 0
    T=0
    # For each machine in the set...
    for M in G(m+n):
        # Step count u starts at 0
        # The tape t starts empty
        # Position p starts at 1
        # State s starts at 1
        # Direction d starts at 1.  These are all 1 because it's shorter and we use d=0 as break
        t={};u=p=s=d=1
        while d:
            s,c,d=M[s][t.get(p,0)];t[p]=c;p+=d;u+=1
            if u>sum(V):u=d=0
        T+=u
    # If the total is greater than the last time we ran this set, increase it and note there's been a change
    if T>V[m]:
        C[0]=V[m]=T
        if m<C[1]:C[1]=m+1
    # If we're running it until there's a change, increment V[m] and try again.
    if B>C[0]:V[m]+=1;P(m,n,1)
 # Generate all the machines of appropriate size.
def G(k):
    L=list
    # List of colours
    c=range(k)
    # List of options for a single state/colour combination - new state, colour written, direction moved (0 being halt)
    O=L(X(c,c,[-1,0,1]))
    # List of options for one state
    S=L(X(*[O]*k))
    # List of options for all states
    return L(X(*[S]*k))
r=9**9
for i in range(R(r)):
    # Reset C[0], as we need to be able to run again.  C[1] will get reset in P().
    C[0]=1;r=R(r)
print(r)

Actually, it occurs to me that there's no reason why (in principle) we can know that R(n) < BB(n) (when BB(n) is defined to be on Turing machines with n colours and states). Determining exactly how big R(n) is is related to a limited version of the halting problem, as it isn't guaranteed that $$BB(n)*2^{n*2^{3n^2}}<BB(n+1)$$ That's the limit on how quickly R(n) grows without the "look for the next terminating machine" step. I think it's a pretty safe assumption, though, that it's true with n>5 or so.

while we can know that R(n) halts on big enough inputs, it's certainly possible that the result is in every case larger than BB(n). Proving such (if true) would be equivalent to the halting problem, of course.

Spitemaster

Posted 2018-12-03T20:34:43.617

Reputation: 695

I'm looking at the golfed code and some stuff isn't making sense. if(C[0]sum(V): looks like a typo -- it's not syntactically valid. P and T are undefined. L and X are defined but not used. – xnor – 2020-02-14T20:09:38.310

@xnor There was an edit fixing formatting; it caused a bunch of stuff to disappear because < was causing issues. I've corrected it now. – Spitemaster – 2020-02-14T20:15:48.370

1I tried to fix it. Let me know if there's trouble. Code blocks (with Ctrl+K) respect code formatting better than code tags. – xnor – 2020-02-14T20:24:42.977

1It looks like z=9e9 ends up in a range, which only accepts integers, not integer-valued floats. So I think you need something like 9**9 or whatever is big enough. – xnor – 2020-02-14T20:26:43.687

@xnor and Spitemaster mea culpa. I just put in the tags and didn't even check the output. Lazy editing on a Friday afternoon. That'll teach me to ship code on a Friday. – Giuseppe – 2020-02-17T20:53:58.380