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Dead People Not Staying Dead?
- Maybe I'm just stupid, but didn't a few of the characters die or were implied to be dead in the first season? Those characters are back in the second season. Lau most definitely died, but he seems to be back, in the second episode of the second season. Ciel's soul was supposed to be taken by Sebastien...and yet, he's still alive. Hmm.
- Probably because the show would be rather bleak without those characters, Ciel especially.
- This might be more appropriate for the WMG page, but it looks like it's some sort of alternate timeline or something, as of episode 3.
- As it turns out Ciel simply lost his memories. Sebastian was about to eat Ciel but his soul got stolen by Claude, somehow. As for the deceased characters... we didn't actually see Lau and Ran-mao die they simply fell into the water and COULD have survived and Abberline did die but the character that appears in season two is his twin. Whether this can be seen as a Retcon or not is debatable.
The Rules of the Contract with Claude
- Season 2, episode 8. Claude killed Alois...How?! Aren't they under a Magically-Binding Contract?
- Actually...Alois' contract was specifically to 'never leave my side/never leave me alone', In episode 8, Claude said something along the lines of 'in this form we will be always together' so, technically, he didn't break the contract at all. Demons are treacherous creatures, so is obvious he had ready a legal loophole to scape from the contract if this wasn't satisfying enough.
- But was that really the point of the contract? I thought that his goal was to get revenge against Sebastian for killing Luka by taking Ciel from him.
- Technically, demons only follow orders because its their aesthetics (or so Sebastian says). So if Claude really wanted to, he could disobey Alois's orders.
- Actually...Alois' contract was specifically to 'never leave my side/never leave me alone', In episode 8, Claude said something along the lines of 'in this form we will be always together' so, technically, he didn't break the contract at all. Demons are treacherous creatures, so is obvious he had ready a legal loophole to scape from the contract if this wasn't satisfying enough.
On Goodbyes
- Speaking of death, why were only select characters given Ciel's death certificate, and not everyone (like the housekeepers). Seems like a huge Plot Hole, should they run into each other.
- Maybe Ciel just doesn't care if his staff gets into embarrassing situations.
Why did Claude do a nasty thing, and what was that other stuff about?
- Why did Claude frame Sebastian for Luka's death? Sure, it's not like he could have told the truth, but why Sebastian? What did he ever do? Also, what was the point of episode 2 & 3? They were supposed to be very relevant to the ending of the story but were they really? Even after the finale they still come off as Fillers.
- Claude was after Ciel's soul and Sebastian was already contracted to Ciel by the time Claude became contracted to Alois, so that made Sebastian something of an "obstacle" to Claude
- Well if you paid attention to the lines more you would have noticed that the lady said "The man with the 'golden' eyes told me.' Hint: Golden. I have nothing to add about the relevance of 2 I'm lost as to why that's even there.
Claude Tapdancing
- I know it's meant to be impressive and it's supposed to show us that he's just as cool as Sebby , but why did Claude feel the sudden urge to tap dance before redecorating the mansion? I mean yeah, it's cool that he can do that without falling, but WHY? It just made me giggle a little.
- I'd like to know too. I can only think that it's some sort of powering-up ritual? It just looks silly. Claude lost points from me for that.
- I think it might be a Shout-Out to Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban. In the movie, Ron wakes up in the middle of a nightmare and says he dreamt of spiders and tap dancing.
A Jerk Move?
- Not so much a complaint about the anime or its ending, because I thought the ending was great. But I hate Ciel now. I mean, it's not like Sebastian did anything dishonest to Ciel. They made a deal, he kept his end of the bargain, and Ciel screwed him over. Jerk. And the look on Sebastian's face at the end is heartbreaking. It just irritates me a little that Ciel pulled something like that.
- Ciel didn't "pull something like that." Hannah and Alois made the contract to turn him into a demon. Ciel's just, well, Ciel.
- And this troper feels really bad for Sebastian for it. All that work and humiliation, for nothing, and now doomed to an eternity of it!
- Sebastian is a murderous demon who was playing with Ceil like a cat might play with a mouse before eating it. He would eventually go on to devour the souls of many more people. And you feel sorry for him? Once you take a step back from the emotions of the anime, you start to realize Sebastian kinda got what he deserved.
- So Ciel is a Karma Houdini. He never felt remorse for all the people he ordered Sebastian to kill and instead of being punished, he's going to live forever. That's what I dislike about the ending.
- My impression was that Ciel actually felt bad about it. As soon as he found out that Sebastian had already completed his part of the contract, he ordered Sebastian to eat his soul immediately. He also seemed sad during the final duel between Sebastian and Claude, when he knew that Sebastian would not be able to have his soul. I really don't think he wanted this.
Sebastian Doomed?
- At the end of season 2 of the anime, Ciel becomes a demon and Sebastian is bound to serve him forever, and to never eat his soul. Does this mean that Sebastian will never be able to eat anyone's soul ever again, meaning he will starve and eventually die? Maybe I'm just missing something.
- I haven't read the manga, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but i don't think Sebastian has to eat souls to survive. I never saw him do it during the show.
- Logical, although then why would Sebby be after Ciel's soul in the first place?
- Because he's evil and it's tasty.
- Then why does Angela say Sebastian must be starving in episode 20?
- I suppose it's similar to having chips even if you aren't hungry; they're simply delicious.
- Angela is bat-shit insane. I wouldn't listen to anything coming from her.
- The contract prevents Sebastian from failing Ciel in any way, right? (I've never really been 100% sure how that works, but I thought that the implication was that even if it's something Sebastian wouldn't be able to do normally, the contract would make it happen because he HAD to do it. Anyway, by dying he would technically "escape" the contract, wouldn't he? So I've just been assuming the contract would keep him from dying of starvation from not eating any souls in order to make sure he was stuck with Ciel forever.
The Point of Ciel's Message
- At the end of season two, when Ciel becomes a demon, why was it necessary for him to send Sebastian to tell everyone he was dead?
- Because a rich kid suddenly vanishing was gonna raise a few questions. Telling everyone he died was simply a cover so no one would wonder where he vanished off to.
On Potential Sword Nicks
- Hannah's sword is lethal. Any demon wounded by it has to die. So why does she store it inside her own body? Isn't she afraid of cutting herself while swallowing it?
- I always assumed that she is a special kind of demon who is able to store the sword. As wasp's poison does not harm the carrier, so does the weapon. And it seems that she contains a vast emptiness inside her (remember that eye-in-the-mouth scene?), so sword just can't reach her from inside.
Ciel, Aged 13?
- Why did Ciel's death certificate in the last episode of season 2 say he was 13? Season 2's storyline is supposed to be set a year and 3 months after the first season's end, so he should be 14. Did the animation team just forget that or did I miss something?
- I don't think it took place one year and three months after season 1. Yes, it was one year and three months for us viewers but season 2 takes place right after the final episode I think.
- If you look on the Kuroshitsuji wiki here (scroll down to "Plot"), it says that Kuroshitsuji II takes place 1 year and 3 months after Kuroshitsuji. Kuroshitsuji II aired 6 months after Kuroshitsuji had finished, not a year and 3 months.
- It's a translation error. The Other Wiki says that Kuroshitsuji ended March 26, 2009 and that Kuro II started July 1, 2010. Also Yana Toboso herself said: "1 year and 3 months have passed since the first TV anime finished" on her blog (look under "Everything for the sake of that person").
- So what? Wasn't Ciel supposed to have died, as far as the rest of the world is concerned at the end of the first season? That would have been his first official death. Season 2 makes... a second death, really. (Do I really need spoiler tags for that?)
- I don't think it took place one year and three months after season 1. Yes, it was one year and three months for us viewers but season 2 takes place right after the final episode I think.
Something So Big, Forgotten Already?
- So at the end of the first season, London burns down, or at least gets heavy physical damage. Not to mention many, many people die. So in the second season, how is everything back to normal so fast? It's only been a few months since the end of season 1! Not too mention nobody, not even most of the main cast, seems to act like it never existed. Let alone the extras.
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