Philippine Basketball Association Mythical Team
The Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) Mythical Team is an honor given annually to the best players in each of the five basketball positions: point guard, shooting guard (off-guard or big guard), small forward, power forward and center. A Second Mythical Team was institutionalized in 1984.
Selections
Philippine Basketball Association awards and honors |
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Championship |
Individual annual awards |
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Individual conference awards |
Honors |
Career Achievement Awards |
* Awards given by the PBA Press Corps |
^ | Denotes players who are still active in the PBA |
* | Elected to the PBA Hall of Fame |
Player [X] | Denotes the number of times the player has been selected |
Player (x) | Denotes the club where the player belongs when selected in a mythical team |
Player (in bold text) |
Indicates the player who won the PBA Most Valuable Player in the same year |
Season | Position | First Mythical Team | Second Mythical Team |
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1975 | Guard | Francis Arnaiz* (Toyota) | The Mythical Second Team was first awarded in 1984. |
Guard | Atoy Co* (Crispa) | ||
Center | Manny Paner* (Royal) | ||
Forward | Ernesto Estrada (basketball) (Royal) | ||
Forward | Bogs Adornado* (Crispa) | ||
1976 | Guard | Francis Arnaiz* [2] (Toyota) | |
Guard | Atoy Co [2]* (Crispa) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Philip Cezar* (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Bogs Adornado* [2] (Crispa) | ||
1977 | Guard | Robert Jaworski* (Toyota) | |
Guard | Atoy Co* [3] (Crispa) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [2] (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Freddie Hubalde* (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Jun Papa (Mariwasa) | ||
1978 | Guard | Robert Jaworski* [2] (Toyota) | |
Guard | Lim Eng Beng* (U-Tex) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [3] (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Freddie Hubalde* [2] (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Philip Cezar* [2] (Crispa) | ||
1979 | Guard | Robert Jaworski* [3] (Toyota) | |
Guard | Atoy Co* [4] (Crispa) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [4] (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Philip Cezar* [3] (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Arnie Tuadles (Toyota) | ||
1980 | Guard | Robert Jaworski* [4] (Toyota) | |
Guard | Atoy Co* [5] (Crispa) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [5] (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Philip Cezar* [4] (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Bogs Adornado* [3] (Crispa) | ||
1981 | Guard | Robert Jaworski* [5] (Toyota) | |
Guard | Atoy Co* [6] (Crispa) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [6] (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Philip Cezar* [5] (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Bogs Adornado* [4] (U-Tex) | ||
1982 | Guard | Francis Arnaiz* [3] (Toyota) | |
Guard | Atoy Co* [7] (Crispa) | ||
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [7] (Toyota) | ||
Forward | Bogs Adornado* [5] (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Abe King (Toyota) | ||
1983 | Guard | Ricardo Brown* (Great Taste) | |
Guard | Atoy Co* [8] (Crispa) | ||
Center | Abet Guidaben* (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Philip Cezar* [6] (Crispa) | ||
Forward | Bogs Adornado* [6] (U-Tex) | ||
1984 | Guard | Ricardo Brown* [2] (Great Taste) | Willie Pearson (Crispa) |
Guard | Atoy Co* [9] (Crispa) | Bernie Fabiosa (Crispa) | |
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [8] (Toyota) | Terry Saldaña (Gilbey's) | |
Forward | Abet Guidaben* [2] (Crispa) | Bogs Adornado* [7] (Great Taste) | |
Forward | Manny Victorino (Great Taste) | Philip Cezar* [7] (Crispa) | |
1985 | Guard | Ricardo Brown* [3] (Great Taste) | Robert Jaworski* [6] (Ginebra) |
Guard | Willie Pearson [2] (Great Taste) | Willie Generalao (Tanduay) | |
Center | Abet Guidaben* [3] (Crispa) | Ramon Fernandez* [9] (Manila Beer) | |
Forward | Manny Victorino [2] (Great Taste) | Philip Cezar* [8] (Shell) | |
Forward | Bogs Adornado* [8] (Shell) | Abe King [2] (Great Taste) | |
1986 | Guard | Ricardo Brown* [4] (Great Taste) | Chito Loyzaga (Ginebra) |
Guard | Robert Jaworski* [7] (Ginebra) | Padim Israel (Tanduay) | |
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [10] (Tanduay) | Terry Saldaña [2] (Ginebra) | |
Forward | Manny Victorino [3] (Great Taste) | JB Yango (Tanduay) | |
Forward | Freddie Hubalde* [3] (Tanduay) | Dondon Ampalayo (Ginebra) | |
1987 | Guard | Hector Calma* (San Miguel) | Ricardo Brown* [5] (Great Taste) |
Guard | Philip Cezar* [9] (Great Taste) | Arnie Tuadles [2] (Great Taste) | |
Center | Abet Guidaben* [4] (San Miguel) | Ramon Fernandez* [11] (Tanduay) | |
Forward | Yoyoy Villamin (Hills Bros.) | Bernardo Carpio (Great Taste) | |
Forward | Allan Caidic* (Great Taste) | Ricky Relosa (Hills Bros.) | |
1988 | Guard | Ricardo Brown* [6] (San Miguel) | Robert Jaworski* [8] (Añejo) |
Guard | Hector Calma* [2] (San Miguel) | Jojo Lastimosa (Purefoods) | |
Center | Abet Guidaben* [5] (Purefoods/ San Miguel) | Jerry Codiñera (Purefoods) | |
Forward | Ramon Fernandez* [12] (San Miguel/Purefoods) | Dondon Ampalayo [2] (Añejo) | |
Forward | Allan Caidic* [2] (Great Taste/Presto) | Yoyoy Villamin [2] (Alaska) | |
1989 | Guard | Hector Calma* [3] (San Miguel) | Elmer Reyes (San Miguel) |
Guard | Allan Caidic* [3] (Presto) | Ronnie Magsanoc* (Shell) | |
Center | Benjie Paras* (Shell) | Jerry Codiñera [2] (Purefoods) | |
Forward | Ramon Fernandez* [13] (San Miguel) | Alvin Teng (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* (Purefoods) | Paul Alvarez (Alaska) | |
1990 | Guard | Ronnie Magsanoc* [2] (Shell) | Samboy Lim* (San Miguel) |
Guard | Paul Alvarez [2] (Alaska) | Rudy Distrito (Añejo) | |
Center | Benjie Paras* [2] (Shell) | Ramon Fernandez* [14] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Allan Caidic* [4] (Presto) | Yoyoy Villamin [3] (Alaska) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [2] (Purefoods) | Rey Cuenco (Añejo) | |
1991 | Guard | Jojo Lastimosa [2] (Alaska) | Ronnie Magsanoc* [3] (Shell) |
Guard | Allan Caidic* [5] (Tivoli) | Ato Agustin (San Miguel) | |
Center | Benjie Paras* [3] (Shell) | Jerry Codiñera [3] (Purefoods) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [3] (Purefoods) | Alvin Teng [2] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Ramon Fernandez* [15] (San Miguel) | Yoyoy Villamin [4] (Shell) | |
1992 | Guard | Ato Agustin [2] (San Miguel) | Ronnie Magsanoc* [4] (Shell) |
Guard | Al Solis (Swift) | Elmer Cabahug (Purefoods) | |
Center | Ramon Fernandez* [16] (San Miguel) | Benjie Paras* [4] (Shell) | |
Forward | Nelson Asaytono (Swift) | Jerry Codiñera [4] (Purefoods) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [4] (Purefoods) | Alvin Teng [3] (San Miguel) | |
1993 | Guard | Ato Agustin [3] (San Miguel) | Allan Caidic* [6] (San Miguel) |
Guard | Al Solis [2] (Swift) | Samboy Lim* [2] (San Miguel) | |
Center | Jerry Codiñera [5] (Purefoods) | Jun Limpot (Sta. Lucia) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [5] (Purefoods) | Vergel Meneses (Swift) | |
Forward | Nelson Asaytono [2] (Swift) | Alvin Teng [4] (San Miguel) | |
1994 | Guard | Johnny Abarrientos (Alaska) | Boybits Victoria (Swift) |
Guard | Ato Agustin [4] (San Miguel) | Allan Caidic* [7] (San Miguel) | |
Center | Jerry Codiñera [6] (Purefoods) | Benjie Paras* [5] (Shell) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [6] (Purefoods) | Bong Hawkins (Alaska) | |
Forward | Vergel Meneses [2] (Swift) | Nelson Asaytono [3] (Swift) | |
1995 | Guard | Johnny Abarrientos [2] (Alaska) | Boybits Victoria [2] (Sunkist) |
Guard | Allan Caidic* [8] (San Miguel) | Jojo Lastimosa [3] (Alaska) | |
Center | Benjie Paras* [6] (Shell) | Bonel Balingit (Sunkist) | |
Forward | Bong Hawkins [2] (Alaska) | Nelson Asaytono [4] (Sunkist) | |
Forward | Vergel Meneses [3] (Purefoods) | Alvin Patrimonio* [7] (Purefoods) | |
1996 | Guard | Johnny Abarrientos [3] (Alaska) | Bal David (Ginebra) |
Guard | Jojo Lastimosa [4] (Alaska) | Jeffrey Cariaso (Alaska) | |
Center | Marlou Aquino (Ginebra) | Benjie Paras* [7] (Shell) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [8] (Purefoods) | Noli Locsin (Ginebra) | |
Forward | Bong Hawkins [3] (Alaska) | Nelson Asaytono [5] (San Miguel) | |
1997 | Guard | Johnny Abarrientos [4] (Alaska) | Dindo Pumaren (Purefoods) |
Guard | Vince Hizon (Gordon's Gin) | Bong Ravena (Purefoods) | |
Center | Marlou Aquino [2] (Gordon's Gin) | Jerry Codiñera [7] (Purefoods) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [9] (Purefoods) | Noli Locsin [2] (Gordon's Gin) | |
Forward | Nelson Asaytono [6] (San Miguel) | Jun Limpot [2] (Sta. Lucia) | |
1998 | Guard | Johnny Abarrientos [5] (Alaska) | Olsen Racela (San Miguel) |
Guard | Jojo Lastimosa [5] (Alaska) | Mike Mustre (San Miguel) | |
Center | Jerry Codiñera [8] (Purefoods) | Danny Ildefonso (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio [10] (Purefoods) | Nelson Asaytono [7] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Kenneth Duremdes (Alaska) | Victor Pablo (Formula Shell) | |
1999 | Guard | Johnny Abarrientos [6] (Alaska) | Olsen Racela [2] (San Miguel) |
Guard | Jeffrey Cariaso [2] (Mobiline) | Jojo Lastimosa [6] (Alaska) | |
Center | Sonny Alvarado (Tanduay) | Danny Ildefonso [2] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Benjie Paras* [8] (Formula Shell) | Eric Menk (Tanduay) | |
Forward | Danny Seigle (San Miguel) | Kenneth Duremdes [2] (Alaska) | |
2000 | Guard | Olsen Racela [3] (San Miguel) | Dindo Pumaren [2] (Purefoods) |
Guard | Kenneth Duremdes [3] (Alaska) | Jeffrey Cariaso [3] (Tanduay) | |
Center | Danny Ildefonso [3] (San Miguel) | Marlou Aquino [3] (Sta. Lucia) | |
Forward | Alvin Patrimonio* [11] (Purefoods) | Bong Hawkins [4] (Alaska) | |
Forward | Danny Seigle [2] (San Miguel) | Rudy Hatfield (Tanduay) | |
2001 | Guard | Olsen Racela [4] (San Miguel) | Noy Castillo (Purefoods) |
Guard | Danny Seigle [3] (San Miguel) | Kenneth Duremdes [4] (Alaska) | |
Center | Danny Ildefonso [4] (San Miguel) | Davonn Harp (Red Bull) | |
Forward | Ali Peek (Alaska) | Nic Belasco (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Dennis Espino (Sta. Lucia) | Rudy Hatfield [2] (Pop Cola) | |
2002 | Guard | Willie Miller (Talk 'N Text) | Gilbert Demape (Talk 'N Text) |
Guard | Jeffrey Cariaso [4] (Coca-Cola) | Rey Evangelista (Purefooods) | |
Center | Davonn Harp [2] (Red Bull) | Asi Taulava^ (Talk 'N Text) | |
Forward | Victor Pablo [2] (Talk 'N Text) | Nic Belasco [2] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Don Allado (Alaska) | Kerby Raymundo (Purefoods) | |
2003 | Guard | Jimmy Alapag (Talk 'N Text) | Johnny Abarrientos [7] (Coca-Cola) |
Guard | Jeffrey Cariaso [5] (Coca-Cola) | John Arigo (Alaska) | |
Center | Asi Taulava^ [2] (Talk 'N Text) | Marlou Aquino [4] (Sta. Lucia) | |
Forward | Rudy Hatfield [3] (Coca-Cola) | Don Allado [2] (Alaska) | |
Forward | Dennis Espino [2] (Sta. Lucia) | Harvey Carey (Talk 'N Text) | |
2004–05 | Guard | Jimmy Alapag [2] (Talk 'N Text) | Mark Caguioa^ (Brgy.Ginebra) |
Guard | Willie Miller [2] (Talk 'N Text) | Olsen Racela [5] (San Miguel) | |
Center | Dorian Peña (San Miguel) | Mark Telan (Talk 'N Text) | |
Forward | Eric Menk [2] (Brgy. Ginebra) | Tony dela Cruz (Shell) | |
Forward | Nic Belasco [3] (San Miguel) | Rommel Adducul (Brgy. Ginebra) | |
2005–06 | Guard | Roger Yap (Purefoods) | Mark Caguioa^ [2] (Brgy. Ginebra) |
Guard | James Yap^ (Purefoods) | Mike Cortez^ (Alaska) | |
Center | Enrico Villanueva (Red Bull) | Dorian Peña [2] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Kerby Raymundo [2] (Purefoods) | Danny Seigle [4] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Lordy Tugade (Red Bull) | Marc Pingris^ (Purefoods) | |
2006–07 | Guard | Gary David (Air21) | Wynne Arboleda (Air21) |
Guard | Willie Miller [3] (Alaska) | Mark Cardona (Talk 'N Text) | |
Center | Dorian Peña [3] (San Miguel) | Yancy de Ocampo (Talk 'N Text) | |
Forward | Jay Washington^ (Talk 'N Text) | Danny Ildefonso [5] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Kelly Williams^ (Sta. Lucia) | Arwind Santos^ (Air21) | |
2007–08 | Guard | Jayjay Helterbrand^ (Brgy. Ginebra) | Cyrus Baguio^ (Red Bull) |
Guard | Mark Caguioa^ [3] (Brgy. Ginebra) | Willie Miller [4] (Alaska) | |
Center | Asi Taulava^ [3] (Coca-Cola) | Kerby Raymundo [3] (Purefoods) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [2] (Air21) | Sonny Thoss^ (Alaska) | |
Forward | Kelly Williams^ [2] (Sta. Lucia) | Nelbert Omolon (Sta. Lucia) | |
2008–09 | Guard | Jayjay Helterbrand^ [2] (Brgy. Ginebra) | Gabe Norwood^ (Rain or Shine) |
Guard | Mark Cardona [2] (Talk 'N Text) | Willie Miller [5] (Alaska) | |
Center | Asi Taulava^ [4] (Coca-Cola) | Jay-R Reyes^ (Rain or Shine) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [3] (Burger King) | Dondon Hontiveros (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Jay Washington^ [2] (San Miguel) | Kelly Williams^ [3] (Sta. Lucia) | |
2009–10 | Guard | LA Tenorio^ (Alaska) | Roger Yap [2] (B-Meg Derby Ace) |
Guard | James Yap^ [2] (B-Meg Derby Ace) | Mark Cardona [3] (Talk 'N Text) | |
Center | Sonny Thoss^ [2] (Alaska) | Asi Taulava^ [5] (Coca-Cola) | |
Forward | Jay Washington^ [3] (San Miguel) | Joe Devance^ (Alaska) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [4] (San Miguel) | Kelly Williams^ [4] (Talk 'N Text) | |
2010–11 | Guard | Jimmy Alapag [3] (Talk 'N Text) | Jayson Castro^ (Talk 'N Text) |
Guard | Mark Caguioa^ [4] (Barangay Ginebra) | James Yap^ [3] (B-Meg) | |
Center | Sonny Thoss^ [3] (Alaska) | Ali Peek [2] (Talk 'N Text) | |
Forward | Kelly Williams^ [5] (Talk 'N Text) | Joe Devance^ [2] (B-Meg) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [5] (Petron Blaze) | Jay Washington^ [4] (Petron Blaze) | |
2011–12 | Guard | Mark Caguioa^ [5] (Barangay Ginebra) | Jayson Castro^ [2] (Talk 'N Text) |
Guard | Gary David [2] (Powerade) | Paul Lee^ (Rain or Shine) | |
Center | Ranidel de Ocampo (Talk 'N Text) | Sonny Thoss^ [4] (Alaska) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [6] (Petron Blaze) | Jeff Chan^ (Rain or Shine) | |
Forward | James Yap^ [4] (B-Meg) | Kelly Williams^ [6] (Talk 'N Text) | |
2012–13 | Guard | Calvin Abueva^ (Alaska) | Alex Cabagnot^ (Petron Blaze) |
Guard | LA Tenorio^ [2] (Barangay Ginebra) | Cyrus Baguio^ [2] (Alaska) | |
Center | Ranidel de Ocampo [2] (Talk 'N Text) | June Mar Fajardo^ (Petron Blaze) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [7] (Petron Blaze) | Marc Pingris^ [2] (San Mig Coffee) | |
Forward | Jayson Castro^ [3] (Talk 'N Text) | Sonny Thoss^ [5] (Alaska) | |
2013–14 | Guard | Jayson Castro^ [4] (Talk 'N Text) | Paul Lee^ [2] (Rain or Shine) |
Guard | Mark Barroca^ (San Mig Super Coffee) | Peter June Simon^ (San Mig Super Coffee) | |
Center | June Mar Fajardo^ [2] (San Miguel) | Greg Slaughter^ (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Forward | Ranidel de Ocampo [3] (Talk 'N Text) | Marc Pingris^ [3] (San Mig Super Coffee) | |
Forward | Asi Taulava^ [6] (Air21) | Sonny Thoss^ [6] (Alaska) | |
2014–15 | Guard | Jayson Castro^ [5] (Talk 'N Text) | Terrence Romeo^ (GlobalPort) |
Guard | Paul Lee^ [3] (Rain or Shine) | Stanley Pringle^ (GlobalPort) | |
Center | Greg Slaughter^ [2] (Barangay Ginebra) | Asi Taulava^ [7] (NLEX) | |
Forward | June Mar Fajardo^ [3] (San Miguel) | Ranidel de Ocampo [4] (Talk 'N Text) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [8] (San Miguel) | Calvin Abueva^ [2] (Alaska) | |
2015–16 | Guard | Jayson Castro^ [6] (TNT) | Alex Cabagnot^ [2] (San Miguel) |
Guard | Terrence Romeo^ [2] (GlobalPort) | LA Tenorio^ [3] (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Center | June Mar Fajardo^ [4] (San Miguel) | Asi Taulava^ [8] (NLEX) | |
Forward | Calvin Abueva^ [3] (Alaska) | Japeth Aguilar^ (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [9] (San Miguel) | Sean Anthony^ (NLEX) | |
2016–17 | Guard | Alex Cabagnot^ [3] (San Miguel) | Jayson Castro^ [7] (TNT) |
Guard | Chris Ross^ (San Miguel) | LA Tenorio^ [4] (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Center | June Mar Fajardo^ [5] (San Miguel) | Kelly Williams^ [7] (TNT) | |
Forward | Japeth Aguilar^ [2] (Barangay Ginebra) | Joe Devance^ [3] (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Forward | Arwind Santos^ [10] (San Miguel) | Cliff Hodge^ (Meralco) | |
2017–18 | Guard | Stanley Pringle^ [2] (NorthPort) | Scottie Thompson^ (Barangay Ginebra) |
Guard | Paul Lee^ [4] (Magnolia) | Mark Barroca^ [2] (Magnolia) | |
Center | June Mar Fajardo^ [6] (San Miguel) | John Paul Erram^ (Blackwater) | |
Forward | Japeth Aguilar^ [3] (Barangay Ginebra) | Arwind Santos^ [11] (San Miguel) | |
Forward | Marcio Lassiter^ (San Miguel) | Matthew Wright^ (Phoenix) | |
2019 | Guard | Jayson Castro^ [8] (TNT) | Roger Pogoy^ (TNT) |
Guard | CJ Perez^ (Columbian) | Stanley Pringle^ [3] (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Center | June Mar Fajardo^ [7] (San Miguel) | Japeth Aguilar^ [4] (Barangay Ginebra) | |
Forward | Christian Standhardinger^ (NorthPort) | Troy Rosario^ (TNT) | |
Forward | Sean Anthony^ [2] (NorthPort) | Ian Sangalang^ (Magnolia) |
Most selections
The following table only lists players with at least five total selections.
* | Denotes players inducted to the PBA Hall of Fame |
^ | Denotes players who are still active |
Player | Total | First Team |
Second Team |
MVP |
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Ramon Fernandez* | 16 | 13 | 3 | 4 |
Alvin Patrimonio* | 11 | 10 | 1 | 4 |
Arwind Santos^ | 11 | 9 | 2 | 1 |
Atoy Co* | 9 | 9 | 0 | 1 |
Philip Cezar* | 9 | 7 | 2 | 1 |
Bogs Adornado* | 8 | 7 | 1 | 3 |
Allan Caidic* | 8 | 6 | 2 | 1 |
Robert Jaworski* | 8 | 6 | 2 | 1 |
Benjie Paras* | 8 | 5 | 3 | 2 |
Jayson Castro^ | 8 | 5 | 3 | 0 |
Asi Taulava^ | 8 | 4 | 4 | 1 |
Jerry Codiñera | 8 | 3 | 5 | 0 |
June Mar Fajardo^ | 7 | 6 | 1 | 6 |
Johnny Abarrientos | 7 | 6 | 1 | 1 |
Kelly Williams^ | 7 | 3 | 4 | 1 |
Nelson Asaytono | 7 | 3 | 4 | 0 |
Ricardo Brown* | 6 | 5 | 1 | 1 |
Jojo Lastimosa | 6 | 3 | 3 | 0 |
Sonny Thoss^ | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 |
Abet Guidaben* | 5 | 5 | 0 | 2 |
Willie Miller | 5 | 3 | 2 | 2 |
Mark Caguioa^ | 5 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Jeffrey Cariaso | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 |
Danny Ildefonso | 5 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
Olsen Racela | 5 | 2 | 3 | 0 |
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