I know this is an often discussed topic, but I hope I'm not reinventing the wheel here. If I do so, please disregard this whole thing
alright, before we start, just like on the internet; the text is for only informational purpose only...and don't get your mother's kitchen knives, stay away from them as long as possible....for knives and visible veins are two related and tempting things. Don't go looking for cheap knives in wal Mart or one dollar store, instead, go to salvation army/goodwill etc.....you'll be amazed by some quality gourmet kitchen knives you might find for less than 50 cents each

I stayed for a while without internet access and while out of fun, I returned to some old activities learnt from the old days of real boy/girlscout survival lesson; knife throwing.
Now I modify this skill a little bit. When it says survival, it depends on the location. I believe most of people here don't live in the middle of nowhere by the jungle like Kazynski, so this survival means urban survival. Therefore I'm not talking about buying commando knives, Gibben knives/axes, or the 3 for $100 precision throwing knives....I'm talking about....kitchen knives, steak knives etc....laugh if you want, but most of you are living in urban area with laws prohibiting any combat knives in the street.
Now, carrying your lunchbox with steak knives in it won't be something unlawful isn't it.

Choosing the knife: You probably can rationalize the shape of an "aerodynamics" object, so I'll leave the shape of the knives to you. I didn't experiment with classic butcher knife, but that is almost as heavy as any tactical knives and I don;t think you'll have a good reason for carrying it around. You don't want anything to light like paring knife, you'd later find out from practice that the lighter the knife is, the closer its throwing distance.
Now, kitchen knives are not as heavy as those true throwing knife so you don't need to hold the knife with all you fingers. Instead, hold it with your middle, index, and thumb only. Closer hold to the tip of the blade is for longer throwing distance. To start you can hold it about at the middle of the blade like holding a pen.

The best way to get the feeling of turns is to throw it to the ground at first. Throw with the same knife at first. With different twist of wrist, and movement of the whole upper torso, you should soon get a hold of sticking that knife in the ground. Now it's time to set a target, trees could be a good idea, but missing too many times can create a frustating and spirit breaking condition. Just use some...well in my case some old large wood or anything that's just wide and tall enough. Remember, your goal is to stick that knife, accuracy and precision are second things.

Just like throwing to the ground, just try to throw naturally, bending your wrist and the whole body. Your knife will likely to stick at low height at first.
When you got the feeling to stick the knife, an aim feeling and need for accuracy will come in natural.

Paint a human figure with your same height. Knives are not powerful projectile, especially common kitchen knives, so aim at one point; neck. Throw, and throw, and throw....until you wake up the next day with a sore right/left/or both arms. When you get a hang of one distance, walk back and try again, until you find a favorable maximum distance. In my experience, 10 feet is the easiest, 94% success rate throwing distance. This is for those average thick plastic handle steak knives. Heavier knives with wooden handle like the nice solingen are throwable from 10 to 13 feet.

Now try to walk normally and throw a knife in a sudden, get a good accuracy rate. Try walking/running backwards and throw those knives. Basically try to imagine any real panicking situation on the street. Throw while screaming, throw under the rain, if friends are available, let them scream, bang metal pans, crack glass bottles etc , and you try to throw those knives. Try to throw in the dark with your familiar target, therefore you can know whether you're still using your eye-brain interaction to throw the knife or a true feeling. In simple term: let it be your second nature. The most interesting thing I found is throwing in a completely dark room using NVG ,it's a total awesome and different experience. The only problem is IR illuminator is visible if being viewed head on and that thing hums. So make sure you know how stealth you can be before planning anything.

Finally, it's kinda sick but...get a feeling of the knives and the pain felt by your target....go figure that out with your own fantasy.

This is my first time to make some guide based on experience, so I believe I'm missing a lot of things. Suggestions/questions/scoffing/bullying are welcome

Throwing knifes are a waste of money.

How many people are killed by knives that are thrown? You could count the number in the entire world per year on one hand.

Knives are for sticking, not throwing.

Frostfire, I'm glad you're back because I really enjoy reading some of the things your mind comes up with.

I much prefer razor edged playing cards.

Little sheet steel, little coaxing with an angle grinder, stencils, metal primer. And they're ever so stylish...

~Zero the Inestimable

Those are the best! They sell them at china town for like 20 bucks. I think I might make one.

Sure, you might not kill someone with a thrown knife, but its one hell of a detterent, I think a 6" spike sticking out of someones face would certainly surprise him/her abit.

I would always "cheat" with my thrown weapons and attach tassles, or cardboard fins, this would make them stick point first even if they were thrown in a burst of adrenaline.

What, the cards? If you're paying 20 bucks a pop for the things I'll make you some and sell them for half that.

Talk about profit. I get the metal for free, and the only other thing I have to pay for is the paint.

~Zero the Inestimable

yeah NBK, but guess we'll never know when we need one eh? esp. if you consider yourself the weak/vulnerable kind

Somehow I think throwing at face might not be totally effective, I don't think the common knife would be hard enough to pierce the skull, hence leaving the target disfigured, going berserk, and ready for a vengeanceful revenge.....neck I believe is one of the "safest" area to throw at

nice to know someone appreciate your thoughts 10fingers, thanks...
usualy what I got was "she needs to be excused for not making any sense"

I think throwing knives is an interesting hobby but not a very practical technique. I have always been told that throwing a knive is almost the same as giving it to your opponent. It is very hard to hit a moving target with a firearm and I would guess it is even more difficult to do so with a knife.

However if you were going to throw a knife at an opponent I would go for the center mass (chest) since your chances of hitting the target are much greater. You may not get the same lethal effect but "most" attackers lose their aggression once they recieve a serious injury. This does not apply to those with serious psychological disorders or those under the influence of drugs (crack, coke, pcp, alchol).

But like I said it seems like it would be an interesting hobby. Also I imagine if you practised enough you could become proficient enough to use this technique in combat, but I doubt most people would be willing to devote the time and energy necessary to develop that level of skill.

Heres my response, did any one here see the scene in "StarShipTrooper" were there learning knife throwing.

No, and the point to your post would be?

Well arent we snappy?

Btw, does anyone know how I could make a throwing spike? I dont want it as a weapon, just something to toss at my fence.

I used to make spikes by sharpening the hell out of masonry nails (the big 7 inch ones that cost 50 cents a pop) and affixing streamers to the back.

They were fun to throw around. I hear stories about people actually hunting with the things...

~Zero the Inestimable

Your the man Zero! Thanks!

Zero, did we see the same webpage? About turning those galvanised spikes into the throwing weapons? If this is the case man please post the link, I've been looking for that page for at least a week.

I didnt mean to go OT.

Possibly. I got the link off the AGL forum back when it was still up. I long since forgot the URL...

~Zero the Inestimable

does anyone know how I could make a throwing spike? I dont want it as a weapon, just something to toss at my fence.

If you want to practice actual knife throwing skills, as opposed to throwing spikes with the little drag tassles... Go get some cheap ice picks. The kind with about 6" steel spikes in a wooden handle. They cost less than $2.00 each, and they throw better than you would believe, very consistent and surprisingly well ballanced in my experience. And you can use your dartboard for practice without chewing it up, though they WILL go through to the wall if you toss them too hard. Throw these from a blade hold, of course.

You are unlikely to ever use a throwing knife for self defense, but it's very satisfying to be able to consistently do this. THWICK!!! THWICK!!! THWICK!!! Makes you feel life James friggin' Bond, it does.

Yes, it is amazingly satisfying. And it's really impressive ;). I found some one-piece stainless steel kitchen knives at zellers for next to nothing. I made them doubble edged on my grinder :D. They work well, except I broke the tip off one. One question, why is this in in the 'chemistry related' section?

Don't Be Stupid...


MP

Its a great way to bleed off stress isnt it?

Besides, even if you just get the tip to stab into your target and run like hell, itll give them a hell of a shock....

I agree with MP5Guy, throwing your knife is a dumb idea, you can put many times the energy behind the stab/slash if the knife is in your hand at the time. If you must waste a good knife, simply stab them and let go of the knife so it stays in them.

Personally, I don't see the point of throwing away a perfectly good knife, when all you are doing is giving the person a fairly shallow wound anyway.

If you want to carry a knife in an urban environment, having steak knives in a lunch box is another idea that's a few cakes short of a picnic. "Oh, you're attacking me, hang on while I open up my lunch box to get my knives" Why not just have a shiv (flat blade with an almost flat handle, only about 4mm thick at most) strapped to an ankle or a forearm. They are made with a leather sheath that is designed for this purpose, and they are undetectable in a pat-down search due to their flatness.

Personaly I don�t like the idea of give the enemy an knife. Better is to stab his kidney or his back and let the blade stay.

But frostfire has an point, sometimes throw an knife is the only way to disable the target, IF the knife reaches some soft spot, like the throat.

Altrhough carrying an lunchbox with the knives can be an good idea, at least to justify the fact that you are carrying several blades, it can be very hard to open and grab an knife, on an momment of stress. Better is the flat knife, on an pouch in between the shoulders, at the back of the neck, where the B&W don�t search.

I realy like knives, it�s quiet, quick, unespected and eye-on-eye weapons, but must be handled with proficiency, dexterity, unless it�s more an harm than good. Of course it involves the hability of throw it with precision, when it�s needed.

By the way, Frostfire, "SHE needs to be excused" Are you an girl ?

First off, when I throw a blade, it's for fun.

Found a book in the library titled Comabat Knife Throwing: A New Approach to Knife Throwing and Knife Fighting. by Ralph Thorn.

Having read other throwing books, including the one by Blackie Collins (hey, he sells a knife actually warranteed for throwing!), I can say that this one beats all. Author even discusses alibis for carrying several long knives. "Honest, Ociffer, I do a juggling act for parties. Watch!"

Killer is, I got no scanner. Soon as I can get one, the book will be scanned for anyone who wants.

I make throwing spikes from 8.5-9" sections of coat hanger, they're good for practice I can get one to stick in a 13"x13" target from 12-13ft. also I had some unfletched blowgun darts laying around, they're about 3" long and made from rectangular wire fence. A good cheap target can be made from a section of cork, a couple sections of the newspaper or if you find ads folded to the right size, and duct tape, which keeps the cork from falling apart when you pull your spikes from it. then trace the outline of a playing card, and then a pokerchip or quarter on the inside of the card outline.

Dave, yeah, Frostfire is one of Roguesci's few female members, there are a few others who I can't think of right now.

Nice, an girl between us ! Frost, wellcome back !

I found some nice ceramic knives, to make japanese food, realy sharpen and hard.
It can pierce an penny with one hard blow of an hammer.

The problem is the size, those are huge, almost 30 centimeters !

I purchase one, and, with an grinder, cut off the handle and resized the blade, sharpened both sides, getting one double edged weapon, then, with paracord I make a new handle and it�s done.

It can�t be found by an pat-search, as it�s on the back of my neck, nor by any metal detector, as it�s made of nonelectric-resistence material. It can�t be thrown, as it�s not very well balanced, but it�s an very impressive hand-to-hand weapon, can cut through leather and thin metal easily.

Although almost never needed being able to consistantly hit a target with a knife is a handy skill to have. Mostly it could be used to impress your freinds but if you are not within stabbing distance what are you going to do. Say your at gun point or something like that and all you have is a knife. Also I have found that knives that are blade heavy are eaiser to stick into a target.

well my first post and i hope it's decent.

there is a point in a throwing knife in todays world. a throwing knife is more of a distraction weapon. throw it at the target to give yourself a second or 2 of vital time to escape or to cause an opening to attack further. a stunned opponent is alot easier to take down to the ground and thats the way everyone should start to escalate damage. throwing stars, caltrops, and spikes can be used to also to distract opponents but they usually draw attention to themselves as they are not everyday seen items. anything will work as long as it is thrown right and you practice with it. also, throwing knives are usually balanced in the middle.
as for "giving you enemy a weapon"...unless they catch it in the air, theyd have to reach down or divert their attention from you and noone does that and wins a fight.
i was also thinking about the comment dave the rave said. those salad knives made from delrin would pass thru metal detectors and can be shaped down into a nice concealable knife. too bad i, nor does almost anyone, have a use for such a tool. then again...stateside, i can just march on down to a gun show and purchase Israeli made covert knives made of delrin for 2 bucks each.

hope this was decent and please dont ban me

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Rhadon

Zero, did we see the same webpage? About turning those galvanised spikes into the throwing weapons? If this is the case man please post the link, I've been looking for that page for at least a week.

I didnt mean to go OT.

Galanized nail can be turned into amore lethal and precise weapon than a throwin knife. just hammer the sharp edge and shape it like the point of a spear then put a tassle in the other end. and make a slingshot as a drive. ahh its difficult to put into words how to make it maybe I can i mail to you the plan for better visualization. Can I have your email address? . Oh you might search for it in the web, the keyword is indian pana. Just try it.

I used to make spikes by sharpening the hell out of masonry nails (the big 7 inch ones that cost 50 cents a pop) and affixing streamers to the back.

They were fun to throw around. I hear stories about people actually hunting with the things...

~Zero the Inestimable
Helloo Im new to the forum and read your discussion about the galvanized nail as a throwing knife. Im sending you a file of a plan for a homemade slingshot using the galvanized nail as a bullet or shall I say spear. this weapon is concealable. but I need to go out of this forum coz i cant attached the powerpoint slide. Can you send me your e-mail address.

Hope you use it just for hunting not for any bad ideas.. you know what I mean. I once used this hunting rats in out home in the province.



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The above, "signing", of a post, is NOT permitted. Remove or be removed. NBK

Impact, I believe that it was an good post, but please, don�t beg ! If you think that your post can get you banned, just don�t post.

About the topic, an serious atacker can�t be distracted by 5 to 7 inches of steel on his body, unless it hits some vital spot, hence Frostfire always aim at the neck, nor by calltrops, unless it�s on the midle of the path, or thrown at his face. You can�t gain 2 secs of "vital time " and you, probably, will loose an good weapon that can be used to stab and cut some veins and tissues...

Your idea about ceramic knives, when you say that you don�t have an need for such a tool, I think that the correct idea is to have an tool to such a use. It�s better have an knife that can�t be found than don�t have any weapon at all... And by the way, I will NEVER buy anything made by isralis !!!

Berkut, why the insistence on gettying members emails ? You can email anyone by clicking on his/her nick at the top of the post. And no one wants to know that you�re new at The Forus, as your subtitle is allway showing it.

Shoot an iron barbell with an sling ? How do you do it ? Its your idea or an common weapon at your Country ? I�ve seen some flechets being lauched from an rubberband powered cross bow, but never seen your idea before.

I hate to explain myself in this way but here it goes.

"an serious atacker can�t be distracted by 5 to 7 inches of steel on his body, unless it hits some vital spot, hence Frostfire always aim at the neck, nor by calltrops, unless it�s on the midle of the path, or thrown at his face. You can�t gain 2 secs of "vital time " and you, probably, will loose an good weapon that can be used to stab and cut some veins and tissues..."

Any attacker will flinch, move or be temporarily stunned whenever anything...much less a 5 to 7 inch knife is thrown at them. And hitting the person is an added bonus. Just the fact that you can stop somebody can give you an openning. BTW, throwing a knife into someone's neck??? isnt that a rather small target? Wouldnt you be better off trying for the body? A larger, more accessible target should be taken advantage of, i.e. the body.

As for the nonmetallic knife...how many times do you go into a court room or an airport and need a weapon. The only place i can even imagine needing one is a night club where they have metal detecting wands. Sorry you wont buy anything made from Israel. They make quality stuff and are cheap. Albiet my tax dollars paid for their factories.
A simple piece of delrin or other non metallic material in rod form with a tip on the end can also be used as a jabbing weapon.

A slingshot that launches spikes? Why? What ever happen to a nice ball bearing flying super fast, aerodynamically and being able to hit someone from a long distance and causing a massive amout of shock value. Why change what works? Are crossbows illegal in Australia also?

Dave the Rave, tell me, if you were a serious attacker and got stabbed by a 1.5inch blade (not 6-7) in the forearm can you seriously say you wouldn't be distracted? no, nobody can nomatter how 'hard' they think they are. say you have an arm of radius 3inches, thats 6inches diameter, then a 1.5inch blade is going to get half the way to the bone. thats going to do some serious muscle damage and severly hinder an arms operation, all this from a 1.5inch blade.

also, a quick note on slingshots. it takes alot of practice to be reasonably accurate at aiming, or maybe i'm just shit. they can do some impressive damage and have good impact properties. the one i have atleast is quite capable of punching through both sides of a beer can with an entry hole the width of the can and a small exit hole. this is a real 500ml steel can, not the little ally ones the US guys have.

dave does however raise some good points - impact, don't ever say 'please don't ban me'. this is not a forum for whining beggers.

Impact, I believe that it was an good post, but please, don�t beg ! [...] your idea before.

It is common in my country, but it is illegal, used in gangwars.

I tried e-mailing through the nick, but it wont work okay i wont inssist for e-mail address, Again i will try to post my weapon plan,some other time.

Impact, I didnt Say "change the slingshot" but my plan is an option for the slingshot. I also use slingshot and very competent in using it, we use it in hitting birds, either in a wire or in a tree.

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Rhadon

berkut,

Don't block quote like that, or you will get a telling off! You could have easily edited it down to the last two paras!

People have been hit with shotgun slugs, buckshot, .44 magnum hollowpoints, 30-06, etc. at point-blank range, and still killed their killer. Not to mention guys trailing their intestines after being eviscerated by artillery shrapnel, and other horrific injuries, during war

Not every weapon works every time, and if shock weapons like firearms and artillery can't do it every time, then what's a pissant little blade thrown by you going to do to someone intent on killing you? Not a whole hell of a lot really.

And an arm isn't an immediately lethal injury, and you've just provided them with a very effective bladed weapon for them to use to sever your head from your body, while simultaneously disarming yourself...:rolleyes:

Indian pana is a lethal weapon, depends on where you hit the target.

The arrow cannot easily be dislodged from the wound because of the hook on the arrowhead. it needs surgery, thus avoiding your quarry to use it against you.

You can easily reload it for the second shot, speed on using it can be improved through practice.Plus ,you just can throw away the slingshot after using it.

what make it more lethal is it is like an ice pick, it can make your blood clot inside the wound and you can make the arrow bigger than a 7 inch nail.

Kingspaz, NBK Said enough !

If you�re matching an serious atacker with your neigbourhood�s tough brat, then you�re on troubles... An serious atacker is someone who WILL kill you as soon as he catch you, and nothing will stop him. I�ve seen people on drugs that can be shooted several times, on the chest, by the B&W and even be able to take down one or two of the cops...

BTW, when my family was of the penitentiary service, I saw an inmate who was pierced seventie and two times with several homemade blades and he can make his way to the hospital, alive, and he�s still alive today ! His name is "marcinho VP" do an google search and you�ll found his history.

Impact, don�t "yawn" to your elders !!! It�s an bad habit and can bring you troubles.

Think a bit, to throw an knife, you must face your enemy. After you�ve thrown your weapon, you�re disarmed and must turn your body to run away.

IF your enemy is away from you, the fact that you�ve thrown him your weapon don�t distract him, but instead let him know that you�re helpless.

IF your enemy is next to you, you can, maybe, hit him with the knife or maybe miss him. Either hand you can�t run, as he will grab you and can�t atack him, as you�re without your blade. Enough.

Berkut, did you ever heard about The Grintch ? Is on your Country any legend about man-eating monsters ? Because you�re on the path of an such legend...

Your elder, JC already said you to not quote the entire post, just the relevant line, and your last post have not relation with the line you�ve quoted. Anyway, I was quite enjoying your presence, but alas, what can I do ?

:yawn: Happy Dave? Considering you think that if i throw a knife at you, you wont be stunned or flinch. I guess you can bypass 100,000 years of evolution in survival reactions.
The simple fact is, when an object is comming towards you, such as a knife...elders like yourself, and i laugh at that thought, will flinch just like everyone else. If i have to run after that i will. Better to run from a stuation I may not be able to win. And always remember, I can run faster scared than you can mad.
I can not believe that people actually think they are tough. If someone shoots at me, I will duck. Its human nature. If you throw something at someone, they will shield their body and flinch. Its HUMAN NATURE!!!

As for the shooting a person a dozen times and they still live, people are resillent creatures. Anything can be killed with a .22lr. Teddy Rosevelt killed a bull elephant in africa with a 22lr. A man can fight as long as he has the capacity to.

And as for my "please don't ban me" quote, it was actually suppose to be a joke due to the fact that i read the rules, try to live and die by the rules, and yet dont want to offend anyone! But its all good, ream the new guy.

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If you don't want to insult other members, than don't do it! I don't like the tone you have here. Since this already is your second warning, you're banned for three weeks from now on.

Rhadon

I think a weapon like a slingshot is very effective, if you are able to stay calm and actually use it like you would in practise. I have seen a .44 steel ball-bearing put through quite a bit of stuff - you can do more damage to a light target frame made of wood than you will with a .44 Magnum, as the slower moving ball won't break through, but will transmit more shock to the wood. However, I would never confuse this with the power of a .44! I wouldn't like to get hit with an accurate shot to the face or kneecap, but odds are it would just sting a lot as it hit my stomach or whatever, mere inches off target. Then I reserve the right to shove the rubber band down your throat.

As for firing a barbed hook or arrow, you should probably make a speargun, as that leaves you far less likely to screw up under pressure, and will generally be more repeatable and accurate. Certainly you are likely to hit yourself in the forearm or hand under duress with a normal slingshot and an arrow.

You could, of course, find a poison arrow frog or something, and tip the arrow in that. (One idiot I know claimed to be a super knife fighter, and told people he had all his knives tipped with powdered Chloroform!!) There are all sorts of issues with that, though, such as knock-down times, legal repercussions, mental state of the target, etc. These are discussed elsewhere on the boards.

As for throwing knives, yes, I would say it was a useful skill for showing off, but don't throw your knife if you can't afford to lose it! Also, don't practise throwing into dirt, as it will take the edge off it.

Best reason for throwing a knife? So when you miss, the guy smirks, picks it up, and you shoot him dead, in self-defence.

[Berkut, did you ever heard about The Grintch ? Is on your Country any legend about man-eating monsters ? Because you�re on the path of an such legend...

Dave the Rave, Im just trying to contribute to this thread, man, what im saying is true, indian pana is a proven weapon. Ahh mebbe, you never heard about my country. I cant blame you, but I can't rectify that impression until I posted my weapon plan. So here it is, I converted it into jpeg file (4 files) then zip it. Just unzip it into jpeg format.

No Berkut, I�m not misinformed, in fact I�ve triped to your Country some times. Please understand, I can realize that you�re trying to contribute, but again, you�re quoting without the need for it.

What�s the point of quote my text if what you say after that don�t is direct connected with the above quote ?

That�s my point ! People can be very pissed if your text become full of quotations.

You must limit your quotes to the minimum necessary, and must stick to only quote something direct related to the subject you�ll write about.

Might be interested in taking a look here:

http://www.quine.home.sonic.net/bbknife.html

I find this way of knife throwing effective. Will I ever use it for self-defense? Hell no. For that, there are ball bearings...

http://www.quine.home.sonic.net/bball.html

Far, FAR more effective than knives. The larger ones will split a skull open without any effort. At least thats how they feel in your hand. You can get them as scrap.

[No Berkut, I�m not misinformed, in fact I�ve triped to your Country some times. Please understand, I can realize that you�re trying to contribute, but again, you�re quoting without the need for it.}

Okay! I admit at first I ignore to read the rules but now im enlightened, Thanks fro JC and you for the reminder, although yours is quite annoying. About you been to my place, in what place you been here. Ahh! mebbe to some beaches. what did you find out, what about man-eating monster, There some stories about it but i dont think thats true. just like in other counties they have urban legends. Mebbe you knew somebody from here, then why not asked them if what im saying about the pana is true. If that person denies, then they may have a reason or they ignorant on what is happening to some parts of this country. Just like me, I didnt knew what is happening to other place, because this place is composed of many islands as you may know it already.

[No Berkut, I�m not misinformed, in fact I�ve triped to your Country some times. Please understand, I can realize that you�re trying to contribute, but again, you�re quoting without the need for it.}


Dave, Hmm im getting emotional, pardon me, hope you and the others is not mad. PEACE!! Ahh have you seen the plans I posted, hope it work for you. Oh-uh I forgot to tell you, heat the tip of the nail red-hot before hammering it, to make it more malleable (hope my word is right) and you may substitute the tying wire with the tab from soda can. Inform me if it work. I'll try to draw the plan for homemade speargun using rubber and spine from umbrella andsome scrap wood. one of my friend use it for hunting mudfish instead of airgun.

I reviewed the files I posted and found out that the first slide, supposedly the drawing of the arrow is just like the other slide with the slingshot drawing. Again Im attaching the 1st slide. hope this will work now

Berkut, I�m not mad about anything, I am just trying to keep you intact. My insistence about you don�t quote an whole post is just to keep you alive.

Now I must add another information, you can�t do 3 post in a row, on the same topic. Instead of it, you must EDIT your post, by clicking on the "edit post" button, and you have 2 days before the edit option become unavaliable. Please, if you can, edit all the information on one only post and delete the subsequent 2 posts.

If you whant to discuss anything, please use my email and we can talk at will.
BTW, the man eating moster is jus an figure of language, althroug I know of the "chupa-cabras", an urban legend also commom at my Country, the Brazil.

[QUOTE=Dave the Rave]Berkut, I�m not mad about anything, I am just trying to keep you intact.

Now I must add another information, you can�t do 3 post in a row.

:) DAVE, Thanks man. 3 post in a row, yah. You were right, I didnt care to edit my first post. But the third one is just a correction for the plans, Anyway, im glad that the elders ( as you called them) are forgiving. Did you try the weapon?

My interest is the back to the slingshot. I think Ill buy the one I just saw in a sports house. Ill try the lead used in fishing nets as bullet or plain glass marbles.

Some advice Berkut: If you buy a wrist-rocket type slingshot make sure that you buy the heaviest grade bands for it, Also try to buy the largest bearings you can find. The optimal size is about 1.5 cm diameter, or about the size of a paintball.

My slingshot will put that bearing through 2 magazines and sometimes a third if they're spaced right :D However ive found that slightly smaller bearings will go through more magazines but will do much less damage to a 2x4.

In short: smaller bearings, better penetration...larger bearings, more power and blunt trauma damage. If you want to kill, go with the larger ones, as a headshot would certainly fatally fracture the skull. :)

[smaller bearings, better penetration...larger bearings, more power and blunt trauma damage. If you want to kill, go with the larger ones]

Cyclo Knight, Kill?? Nahh. just want to have something if somebody want trouble. he he :D . Ill go for a bigger band. the one like they use in hospitals, What a luck, just thinking of having the slingshot, a friend gave me a steel bearings he get it as a scrap part of the steering wheel of honda civic. I think it is big enough. Ill post for updates. :D

With a slight amount of simple modification, a wrist-rocket could be outfitted with two sets of bands on a single pouch,

All you need to do is add 2 more attachments for the bands; Some .25" solid steel rods should do the trick. Simply weld them to the existing attachments about 1.5" from the end, stick it in a vice, and cold-bend the rods to be parallel and 1/2 " above the lower ones

The trick though would be to find some thick, tough leather which was also flexible for the custom pouch. Although instead of leather, I was thinking of 3 or 4 layers of kevlar quad-stiched together.
That would be tough as hell, and silicone beading on the outside would make holding the cocked bearing much easier on the fingers.

You could probably get a good 50 pound pull, and a bad mother like that would strike fear in the hearts of the neighborhood squirrels. I would guess you could be fairly accurate to 200 yards with a .6 in ball bearing.

I would only reccomend very heave shot be used with his however,as firing lighter shot may not provide enough resistance and damage the slingshot.

Having been tech advisor to a group making wrist rockets by hand from .25" steel rod, accurately cold bending it is TOUGH! Better to heat the bend area first, until red, then bend while holding flame to steel, let cool, then weld. However, welding to the aluminum common in commercial wrist rockets would be difficult. Perhaps a better solution (for someone possessing welding gear) would be to custom-build the weapon from scratch.

I seem to remember someone selling dual-band wrist rockets via mailorder, maybe US Cav, but it's been several years.I know I've seen it, though.

Bigfoot,
why do you say it is hard? I built a perfectly nice Black Widow substitute from a bit of rebar when I was a kid, using a hammer, a bending tube and a 3 ton vice. The power bands cost me all of �2-50 iirc! The wrist brace was a neat bit of wood that locked on with a half twist, and offered a good bit of support on the twisted iron handle. I didn't heat treat anything, not even knowing what it was at that age! A friend had a real black widow, and mine was just as good.

As for buying the most powerful bands and what size projectile to use, I must say the choice should be made with care, by the person actually doing the shooting. I bought a set of the extra power Barnett bands, the black ones that are about 50% more power than the standard extra power ones (it was at a trade show, I don't recall exact details) but I have found that I am far less accurate than before, because when shooting a steel BB, I just don't have the grip strength for the smaller, faster balls. Also, the power that is left over from a .38 or even a .44 ball really has to go somewhere, and it goes back into your wrist and the top of your hand, which gets old really quick!

I have some quite massive recycled BBs which are between .65 and 1 inch, and they are ok, but, of course, they are a bit heavy, and they are various masses, so they go a bit wild at beyond 15 yards. At 25 yards, I can hit a tin can with a good steel .44 and normal bands, but with the rather random old olds and the heavy bands, I can't get anything like that accuracy, rather hitting about 1/5 of the time at half the range.

I will do some tests tomorrow if I can get my chrono to work indoors, regarding the mass versus velocity thing for the black bands I am using, and post them up.

Cyclo_Knight,

Made something like that with garden canes as a kid, like a giant crossbow. I can't see many people being able to get a good grip and a good release off a double banded system, not least because two bands will contract at different rates and do odd things to your trajectory. Perhaps in a crossbow design, but not hand-held...

As for the knife throwing thing, that page above (http://www.quine.home.sonic.net/thrower.html) is great! I saw a chakra in the Leeds Royal Armoury, and have found that the blades off rip saws are quite a good cheap copy! Kind of like a giant shuriken. Much better than the cheap stars you get from French tourist traps! I must get round to actually making a proper chakra, though...

I have read about arrow throwing, but, again, not got round to trying it yet.
Does anyone have any experiance with any other throwing weapon?

I've learnt a lot of martial arts from my teachers here, but its all been "empty hands". They won't let me train with weapons, probably because they think I might kill myself or something... Whatever little weapons tricks I've learnt, are self taught.

Anyway, in my opinion the most practical and effective throwing weapon is a "spike". Just a cheap, shiny, pretty, wrought-iron rod about 7, 8, or so inches long sharpened at both ends. God help the poor sap who catches one of these the wrong way, LOL.

However, my favorite is the ball bearing. Practice throwing a few dozen times every other day with either hand. You really don't need martial arts training to become an expert at this thing.

Plenty of people ask me, when I claim to know Karate, that "what are you going to do if attacked by 2 guys twice your size carrying baseball bats?"

And I would have to say, "what makes you think I'll give them a chance to come near me?" LOL. Karate works best when it isn't used.

And I don't think this chakra thing is worth the bother. Its an "exotic" weapon from the Indian Subcontinent. I live here too (Indian subcontinent, Karachi, Pakistan) but I've never heard any tales of bravery or desperation associated with the chakram. There's lots of better stuff around.

Corona,

I collect various interesting weapons - I have swords, knives, a parang/gulock, caltrops, all sorts - which I make or buy from about the place. A chakra would be a rather neat toy to play with. I am going to try the thing with the ball bearings as well. I have tried knife throwing, forging steel to make my own stuff, and so on.

In other news, I completely forgot to do the thing with the chronograph today. I will need to weigh the ball bearings now I think about it, for firing them through the catapult. I can then work out the KE fairly easily.

Aha..you're a collector... Here's a page for you:

http://www.himalayan-imports.com/faq/

In my opinion this is the most effective hand weapon to come out of the Subcontinent. The knife responsible for the most kills during wartime.

As for the chakram, just don't depend on it in a street fight, LOL. As far as I know it was supposed to be used by the Sikh people from the Punjab, to hold their turbans in place. Their "kirpan" (double bladed knife) is a much better known weapon.

One of the things that bothers me about a chakram is that, like a frisbee, you have to throw it back-hand. And back-handed frisbee throws don't have the power or accuracy that a thrown knife or spike will have behind it.

Just a thought.

That's an interesting page - I was lucky enough to find a rather old khukuri in a Nottingham shop about 6 months ago, which I very nearly "acquired". Turned out to be on sale for �15 so I just bought it! (It didn't look like it was for sale)

It is probably a repro, but I don't know. Certainly the blade is quite old, and the tools that come with it are fairly poor, but the blade is good. The handle is too small for my hand, and shows no wear. The rings that are found on most khukuri handles are, in my opinion, a nusance, as they bite into the hand and cause a blister very quickly.

They are very effective knives, however. I cut down a four inch thick pine tree the other day with mine, and it is certainly not something you would want to get hit by!

Jack's,
Perhaps the steel used was different--we weren't using rebar, but some stock from the local farm store. Vise Grips and Channel-loks, because the one guy with a vise had a piece of crap suction model. Could have offered my own equipment, but they wouldn't have learned anything.

Using a torch, propane or hotter, one can bend very easily, even 3/8" rod, tight radii, too.

Proper equipment helps a ton.

You bought a kukri for 15 pounds? That would be 1,545 Rupees!!! You were robbed...;-)

If the handle bites into your hand, I would improvise a cushioning grip using a bicycle inner tube. Thanks to "A Zaibatsu Release" on how to make your own knives, I'm in half a mood to make my own kukri.. a knife I've always wanted but never got.

Reading what Corona was saying about throwing a ball bearing made me think a bit...I've noticed that when I take the time everyday to throw anything, whether it be playing a game of darts, chucking rocks, or just popping bits of garbage across the room into the garbage overhand, it has a huge improvement on knife-throwing ability.

However...I do need to throw more with my right hand. Fucking worthless... :(

Excellent point Nesler.

The way martial arts is taught here, there is a mental aspect that is drilled from early on. They call it mind-body coordination, and one very good way to get better at that is to encourage all us martial arts students to be as ambidextrous as possible.

For example spend ten minutes everyday trying to write with your left hand (in case you're right handed).

In China, young kids are taught to use *both hands* when using the abacus. And a larger number of them than normal, grow up to become "lightning calculators" (a person who can do maths in his head, that would normally need a calculator).

THEN watch your performance improve. I think you will be amazed.

Why not make a ninja death star(i suppose you could do it with a throw knife). make a small hole on top of the blade add some cyanide or anything else that would work. All it has to do is stick in and then bam. The blade wont kill them but the cyanide would. If your not sure test it on a dog or cow, or anything big.