Hey all. Im not exactly sure if this is the right forum for this, but I was womdering if anyone has ever broken a bottle over some ones head? I've always wanted to, but I'm not exactly sure what the efect will be. Does the person just drop and its lights out, or does it just realy hurt? If the bottle breaks, does it cut the person up(stitches) or does it just give like a light standard fighting cut. Im sorry if this sounds like a stupid topic, but I know one day I'm going to be drunk and do this, and I dont want any suprises. Thanks.

P.S. Does a bottle fall under a lethal weapon?

Bottles don't usually break like in the movies. Consider them to be trunchons.

You will probably kill the guy you clobber, so be ready to pay the price. Unless you are defending your life, then anything goes. (Except that you are planning ahead to do it, so if anyone connects you to this post it may be considered premeditated).

<small>[ January 18, 2003, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: shooter3 ]</small>

It all depends on the bottle, one of the thick coke bottles will not break. A cheap beer bottle will if you hit right. I am sure that this is an inappropriate question and should have been asked while there were no rules.

Inapropriate post? No rules? I dont see how this is in inapropriate, and I cant rember a time here with no rules.

perhaps the post is not inappropriate but merely a question that could be answered by simple experimentation <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . Mark you missed it, while the server was being changed we had a brief stint with no rules. Forgive me for speaking harshly

A few years ago a friend of mine had two bottles broken on his head by two guys he was having some trouble with. He was a little drunk but it had no effect on him, he just continued fighting...
Later I accompanied him to the hospital but there was nothing, not even a cut. I think he was very lucky, it could have seriously injured him....

There's a lot of variables to this. The shape of the bottle, the thickness of the glass, type of glass, filled or empty, angle of impact, force behind it, etc.

Champange bottles are usually very strong, being strong enough to take multiple hits on ship bows to break, so would make excellent bludgeons.

Assume that the bottle isn't going to break, and it'll kill the person you're hitting, since any head impact that causes a knock-out can either be fatal, or near fatal.

Also, the bottle may shatter into many pieces. Those pieces may end up stuck in your hand. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> So, if possible, wear gloves or wrap it in a cloth to avoid cutting yourself.

If you are going to hit someone over the head with a bottle, you shouldn't follow through. If it is just for effect and you don't want to cut them, the follow through will dice up their scalp. Try to 'snap' the bottle similar to the motion you would make while snapping a towel. The sudden jerk backwards should seperate the bottle halves if you indeed cracked it in the first place.

EDIT: I found a video of what Madoc was talking about. It's some Steve-O guy smashing a bottle over another guy's head. <a href="http://www.fhm.com/img/mailout/img/december20/bottle_smash.mov" target="_blank">http://www.fhm.com/img/mailout/img/december20/bottle_smash.mov</a>

<small>[ February 16, 2003, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Haggis ]</small>

As a kid breaking bottles on the railroad tracks we found that it was nearly impossible to break a bottle that had its cap put back on, slingshot missles would bounce off, and it would take multiple herculean throws against the steel tracks to break them.

A bottle is the only weapon I can think of that becomes another weapon when broken.

I think a gun becomes a club when broken <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

If anyone has viewed the "Steve-O" (retard from MTV's Jackass) DVD, they will know the part where they try to crack a beer bottle over another guys head.

The guy is wearing a baseball hat to "protect himself" from broken glass shards :rolleyes: as if that would do much... It took around 4 attempts to smash the bottle on his head, resulting in large round lumps appearing on his head, as well as multiple lacerations to his head from the broken glass.

As much as a bottle has the use as an "instant weapon" in certain situations, causing immense pain and possible lacerations, for "pre-meditated" assaults, an more sturdy weapon would be more useful.

Though the presence of a broken glass bottle at a crime scene would possibly make it look as if the deceased had suffered at the hands of some "random drunken brawl", not a planned assault. Though if one was to be accidently cut by the glass shards, one would leave more than their fair share of DNA at a crime scene.

Here is a video of a guy slamming himself in the head with a glass bottle until it breaks. This video would give you some idea of how hard a bottle can be and how hard you can hit something/ someone with it without it breaking. You can hear the bottle clanking off of the guy's head.
<a href="http://movies.ogrish.com/bottlehit.zip" target="_blank">http://movies.ogrish.com/bottlehit.zip</a>

Well, no matter how hard he may have hit himself, he's not going to be able to do it as hard as someone else could with intent to kill.

Also, they ban toenail clippers from aircraft because thay are "weapons", but you are allowed to carry a heavy glass bottle (liquor from duty free) in your hand luggage...

NBK I know that noone will hit themself as hard as someone with the intent to kill. My reasoning for linking to the video was to show that bottles are pretty hard and can cause some major damage. I mean the guy WAS trying to break it but all he was doing was bashing a hole in his skull. As was said before curvature and thickness of bottles are two variables that must be considered when thinking about how much a bottle can take and how much damage it can deal. while Budweiser bottles are kinda thin and have flat sides, something like Michelobe which has thicker glass walls as well as being more curved can stand up to impact stress more and will inflict more damage. And as far as cutting damage goes, ive seen a few people who have been cut with bottles. (i live in a large tourist town that's full of bars that are full of drunks) ive seen people get cut pretty bad but ive never seen anyone who was cut bad enough to be rushed away by an ambulance. Stitches COULD be given to many of the wounds that ive seen though.

If I took one of those thick-ass german lager bottles with 1/4" thick glass and wound up to clock someones skull with it...I might break the bottle, but not before shattering the other guys skull like an eggshell.

Pissy little beer bottles would shatter, wasting the strike energy in breaking up. If it breaks, you're not getting anywhere near the same impact as a bottle that stays intact.

If you had one of the rectangular "flask" type bottles, use the narrow edge to hit them, rather than the flat face. Square bottles, use the corner, rather than a flat face. Round, use the edge where the bottom joins the side.

I have tried once in the past, during a fight I was in at a party to, smash a budwieser bottle over a guys head and have it smash... I hit him with it a couple times and it knocked him down and made him dissoritented but it never broke... Not sure the static or dynic breaking point for glass cylinders. Might be somehting to look into. But form the experinces I have had with them, it takes a nice ammount of force to break them.

If you really want to clock the guy, a full bottle with the cap on would be better. There's the added weight and the liquid inside supports the glass, strengthening it. If it's a beer bottle and hasn't been opened, the internal gas pressure would add additional support to the glass.

i know that in the old western movies, "glass" was made of sugar binded with a weak glue, and pressed. Now they use some kind of plastic (i forgot the name) that easily shatters. The person holding the bottle has to practice holding the bottle, becuase when you swing, you have to hold the bottle hard so it doesnt fall out of you hand, and often breaks from just swinging it too hard.

I have one of those "sugar bottles". While I was in Vancover I picked it up from a film effects supply store. They had everying, sugar wine bottles, sugar beer bottles, even a whole fucking labratory setup with every imaginable piece of lab glass....in sugarglass!

Unfortunatley, this stuff ain't cheap!

In an old science projects book I have it says that movie glass can be made by slowly melting sugar and adding food coloring. Sorry to drift off topic, I noticed this comment;

"Also, they ban toenail clippers from aircraft because thay are "weapons", but you are allowed to carry a heavy glass bottle (liquor from duty free) in your hand luggage..."

Thats true! If a group wanted to take over an aircraft, there weapons could be purchased at the airport! Of course you still have the air marshalls to worry about, bullets beat bottles :( with signifigant practice though I think glass could make a handy slashing weapon. You could break a bottle over a guys head, and then slash/stab him with the remnants.

A few molotovs made from high proof alchol in the confines of an airliner would do some damage. Especially once the foam seats caught fire, releasing hydrogen cyanide, since they're made of polyurethane foam of all things. :rolleyes:

Firebombs beat bullets. :p

Actually you have got a point there NBK.

A group of Chechen Rebels could purchase some Russian Vodka from the duty free store. A hankerchief could be used as a wick and its piss easy to smuggle a box of matches on board.
If they want to bring the plane down, all they need to do is throw a few molotovs.

The ironic thing about this; the Russians lay claim to invented the molotov yet the chechen rebels would be using the weapon against them!

You might be thwarted by the discovery that vodka doesn't burn like that. Maybe when heated in a wick, but molotov fashion. Brandy would be a good choice - think christmas pud :)

Think everclear grain alchohol. As for moltov cocktails in the plane, I don't condone such activities, or at least not in the coach section of the plane. Also, I'd imagine hundreds of foam seats and bags of lugage would probobly cause the bottle to just bounce off and spill(something Ill be thankful for should my next flight turn disastrous.)

Hmm, if it wouldn't disolve, or break in normal handling, maybe a sugar-glass bottle?

I thought there were stringent rules regarding flamable materials on aircraft, I'm amazed that the seats would be made of anything that would burn, let alone release toxic gases!

You'd think, huh?

But, in most crashes, it's the toxic smoke that kills the majority of the people who die. Stupid, ain't it? :rolleyes:

Apparently alcohol doesn't count as a dangerous weapon. Though we see what that line of thought lead to in regards to boxcutters. :)