Agent Blak
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posted January 04, 2001 11:30 AM
I read of a Chemical that around the time of Adolf Hitlar was used in germany for murder. It was a Cyanide(But in liquid form) that could sprayed it to some ones face they would then gasp and cough(death followed shortly).
It supposedly could be shot from a water pistol, etc.

I was thinking this could be a great way to silence guards, dogs, Etc. I just thought this would be of interest to some of you in here.

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Lonegunmen
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posted January 04, 2001 12:38 PM
Are you talking about hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid,"Blausäure" for the Germans)?
Or maybe Zyklon B (the stuff used in the gas chambers).I think this stuff is a mix of prussic acid and pottasium cyanide.As far as I know Zyklon stands for Kalium Zyanid (potassium cyanide) and the B for Blausäure (hydrogen cyanide).

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posted January 04, 2001 12:47 PM
I think you're talking of HCN which is indeed highly poisonous but also very volatile. Although it could be prepared at home from precursors that aren't be too hard to get if wouldn't suggest doing it since you'll be blown away after one whiff of it.

Rhadon
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posted January 04, 2001 12:50 PM
Oh, it looks like I've been somewhat too slow... are you sure about what was used in the gas chambers? I thought they simple used carbon monoxide.

Agent Blak
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posted January 04, 2001 01:59 PM
I thought Hydrogen Cyanide(HCN) Was a Gas also Known as Cyanide Gas. Pussic Acid Could be it.

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posted January 04, 2001 02:08 PM
PRUSSIC ACID!!!
Its detailed manurfacture is described the PMJB Volume One, Page 22 if I remember correctly.
Its put into a water pistol, with the water pistol hiden in a newspaper, shot in the guys/gals face, gasp from surprise, drawn into mouth and nose, collapse near instantly, then dies from supposed heart attack 3 minutes later.
Unlike other "Fast Acting" poisons like Cyanide, Prussic acid is so fast acting on your victim (and yuo if your not carefull) that the person wont have time to knock you down.

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Rhadon
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posted January 04, 2001 03:15 PM
HCN is not a gas at low temperature, but its boiling point is 25.6° C thus it's very volatile.
I don't know PMJB. Can you tell me what it is where I can get it (I'm interested in poisons).

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posted January 04, 2001 04:11 PM
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posted January 04, 2001 07:11 PM
I wouldn't recomend making it unless you had a glove box or didn't value livng. I remember NBK post about putting some NaCN in sulfuric acid and having a cloud of HCN being formed and almost dying, very scary !!

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Rhadon
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posted January 04, 2001 09:20 PM
Aahhh... PMJB is standing for Poor Man's James Bond... finally I understood...
OK, thanks for giving me the link! I was searching for this on the net for some time.

Agent Blak
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posted January 04, 2001 11:08 PM
Fuck that would be some scarry shit wouldn't it.

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posted January 05, 2001 09:46 AM
NBK2K mixed a small amount of Sodium Cyanide (free may I add, forgot to do the COD bit) with HCI.

He put his thumb over the top of the test tube to look whether it reacted, he lost his thumb hold and shot HCI straight up his nose. Then passed out.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> NBK2K mixed a small amount of Sodium Cyanide (free may I add, forgot to do the COD bit) with HCI.

He put his thumb over the top of the test tube to look whether it reacted, he lost his thumb hold and shot HCI straight up his nose. Then passed out.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Did he got poisoned by HCN or did he breathed HCl? Please elaborate NBK... :D
Btw, when fucking around with cyanide compounds, be sure to have a syringe ready with a 0,9% NaCl solution with added Na₂S₂O₃ (sodiumthiosulfate) ready incase you do poison yourself. If you think you've poisoned yourself immediatly inject the content of the syringe into one of your major veins (sp?), as the thiosulfate will react with the cyanide to form thiocyanate which is as good as harmless.
Leave a note for someone who might find you if you pass out before you can administer the antidote.

Na₂S₂O₃ can be bought as fixing salt from a well equiped photostore without suspicion.

I thought it was amyl nitrate and thiosulphate? with me it has worked with this combo, the thiosulphate was about .01 grams per kilo body weight (I think this was highly excessive) taken half an hour before exposure and if a whiff of cyanide was detected the amyl nitrate was supposed to be inhaled (not WITH the cyanide gas <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

still here so it must work, the only downside is that the *actual* nitrate to be inhaled is hard to get, and that amyl nitrate is a strange sex-drug,