Firstly I’d like to point out, that if this isn’t the correct section, then please move it to where is.

There are different knife fighting styles, but in today’s world it’s more about intimidation than the actual fighting. If an attack springs out on you, and you pull out a knife, and start flicking it around, twirling it this way and that, the attacker is going to think twice before attacking you, as it looks as though you know how to use a knife.

Well taking that thought into mind, I’ve made two little short video clips showing you what you can do with the most basic of knifes.

The butter knife and a normal steak knife. The low frame rate on the butter knife video misses out most of what can be seen with the eye, but you get then general gist of it.

The steak knife one, is a little more advanced, which although lacks any real use in a knife fight or attack, it looks visually pleasing.

Well, I was just wondering if anyone else could make some videos as I have demonstrating different styles of “knife twirling” and/or fighting styles.

Please bear in mind, in both videos I slip up a few times, after all we can’t all be experts! :p

Files are on the ftp, links are below, they are active untill crtl_c moves them to there relevent folder.

<a href="ftp://ewf:sd332gf@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/butterknife.rar" target="_blank">Butter Knife</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:sd332gf@209.195.155.80/-=Uploads=-/steakknife.rar" target="_blank">Steak Knife</a>

shoulda put them in your hosted images folder. They are there now and you can update your links.

Moving topic to improvised weapons...

Does anyone have any tips or techniques with butterfly knifes? Some stuff that can be done with them are visually stunning. As well as having some use in a knife fight.

For tips and techniques: <a href="http://www.balisongxtreme.com" target="_blank">http://www.balisongxtreme.com</a>

It's where I started out, and has video clips to go along with the written instructions. It concentrates mostly on opening technique.

However, most of the techniques illustrated within the site have no practical combat usage, asides from a possible intimidation factor; the quickest and easiest opening is the best (IMO the windmill).

If you look a little further, you can find sites which show the use of a closed balisong as a kubotan. Asides from this, don't know of any practical usages of a balisong (apart from it's use as a knife, of course) departing from conventional use.

Edit- Double sig.

<small>[ September 03, 2002, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: sph3ric pyramid ]</small>

If someone pulled a balisong against me I'd probably hurt them real bad before killing them even badlier :D

These knives may look impressive but most of them are cheap dull toys and even the better ones are no combat knives. While most people don't know it, the balisong is no ancient mystical weapon that sprung outta some philipino gods asshole or something, it's a fucking fishermen's knife and the only reason that it's so widely used in their martial arts is that everyone was carrying one all the time.

So these funky whirlings may look mighty impressive but to use it effectively you have to train with it a lot and even then it's not that good, since it doesn't have a stable grip, no hand protection and the fixation of the blade sucks, too, it wasn't made for combat after all.
Your steak knife is far superior, decent grip, you can't slip on the blade that easily and it's probably quite sharp.

Remember, when you're pulling a weapon you'll have to be prepared to use it, trying to impress others with nonexistant skills is fucking dangerous. You're threatening to attack with a deadly weapon after all, life or death.

You might get a seasoned thug who'll spot you for a poser, since you've drawn your blade he's justified to do the same and he knows how to use it. Maybe he's even got a gun.
Later his buddies will testify that he just slapped you a little bit and you suddenly drew a knife and tried to kill him so he had to defend his life.

You might get a little stupid punkass who panics seeing your blade, pulls out his $5 garbage knife and does an instinctive attack. This usually means arm stretched out wide, attack in a circular motion against the rib torso.
Compared to other techniques it's extremely slow but it has one big advantage, if the attacker manages to stick you, most of the time it's straight to the heart.

And keep in mind that if you do the twirlie stuff, the attacker just needs to brush your knife maybe with the tip of his knife or his sleeve pulled over his hands and your knife flies away.

While some bailsong's might be dull and shitty I had one that was a real sturdy piece of technology, the flipping may be showing off a bit but to the average person with a "5$ garbage knife" this will show them they have had some practice, of course as with magicians the bailsong user can pull some fast dangerous moves on the other person. For example, I've seen some pretty fast tricks with the knives that will distract an opponent ant then they throw the knife to there other hand and the opponent is caught of guard is going to be suceptable to some hurt if he isn't careful.

<small>[ September 03, 2002, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: PYRO500 ]</small>

aah, the "urban" style knife technique...yep, balisong is an impressive weapon...to watch.
Carrying balisong the medium/large one around will surely cause you some consequences, while carrying steak knife with your steak lunch will only get you in trouble if you're eating in library :)

Eliteforum, not sure what your technique looks like (can't see the video), but I'm assuming it's flipping the knife from the traditional pointing position into the blade pointing downward (or at enemy) while the hand position is like a jab in boxing/ psycho stabbing position(beh, hard to describe without drawings)

Anyway, like I mentioned at another thread, with tons of practice, you can throw these things pretty accurate; give me 3 steak knives (farberware, tramontina etc) and 10 feet distance, whether you're moving or not, I'm pretty sure I can inflict a lot of pain if not fatality

<small>[ September 03, 2002, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: frostfire ]</small>

The files were moved by ctrl_c to: <a href="ftp://ewf:sd332gf@209.195.155.80/eliteforum/" target="_blank">Here</a>

The films are the two RAR files. Below are direct download links.

<a href="ftp://ewf:sd332gf@209.195.155.80/eliteforum/butterknife.rar" target="_blank">Butter Knife</a>

<a href="ftp://ewf:sd332gf@209.195.155.80/eliteforum/steakknife.rar" target="_blank">Steak Knife</a>

The "style" I do in both of them, isn't really something I learnt, just something I do, learnt myself kinda thing messing about wasting time while im cooking and what'not.

Looks fancy though, wouldn't have any use in a attack though. Well not unless the person your attacking is tied up..

Edit - hmm, tried to click on links after posting, but im getting a "/550 error. Permission Denied" error, so use an FTP client, if you want to download the videos.

<small>[ September 03, 2002, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: Eliteforum ]</small>

Just remember that any weapon you bring into a combat situation can be taken and used against you. Be prepared for that man. I've only drawn a knife once, and even then, I left it inside when the fists started flying.

Wonder what the legal requirement is for carrying around a 5-foot long katana. Gotta have something till I can get a concealed carry permit. Ah well, just a thought. Most dangerous animal here is the wannabe-ghetto whiteboy, and I think that a sword longer than he is tall might make him think twice about throwing rocks through my fucking windows. If not, hell, I've dealt with that trash before. No trouble at all to put a knee to his nads and a few swift punches to his nose and throat.

If you're going for intimidation, go for the gusto.

I like balisongs because they're fun to handle and impressive. BUT it's not a fighting kinfe, meaning it's bad metal, not sharpened enough...
But you can't say it's bad. While it takes several seconds to open a normal knife, it only takes 1 for balisongs, this time can be useful to save in some cases.

And if you want a good quality one, just check on <a href="http://www.benchmade.com" target="_blank">Benchmade website</a> you must have heard about it. They have high quality knifes ( 154 CM metal, strong alliage) and there's a balisong in their catalog. But expensive... Price for quality !

And you can have 2 balisongs, it's not like one-hand opening knives but it is a far more fun knife to have...

But I gonna buy a real fighting knife from Benchmade when I'm old enough to buy one...

I dont mean to disrespect any people who have posted to this thread, however "here it comes" some points needed to be said.
1. the balisong however great it looks in practice is not a viable fighting knife other than intimidating ten year olds. i love my balisongs i use them regularly and am proficient in their use. however in a combat situation i wouldnt be without my cold steel SRK decent blade length reversible hand grip deep blood groove and serration along one whole side of knife. Saying that i am not in a combat situation walking around the street. Therefore i dont carry one!!
2. If attacked by some idiot with a butterfly knife or steak knife or butter knife, first rule of knifefighting as told by experts and lil old me is dont panic, prepare to be cut along the arms if even only slightly its ineviatable. Better to be cut slightly on the arm than deeply stabbed in the chest.
3. improvised weapons that surround you every day can out do that knife weilding drop kick for example a garbage bin lid cracked into assailants face or a starpicket or peice of pipe stabbed through assailants head, can work wonders.
4. go learn a real martial art or join the military not the bullshit military as a cook or clerk but as infantry recon or special forces i believe after ten years special forces you will have the confidence to not have to carry a knife around in any circumstance other than war.
5. I apoligize if i hurt anyones feelings but i feel i had a valid point if you are a predator you dont fear your prey.

If I get around to it once I have an FTP account, Ill upload guide to knife fighting that I found in some old millitary goods store.

Damn, I cannt seem to so much as even find the file...

If you're using a knife as a deadly weapon, you're going to be stabbing that bastard deep into the sternum angled upwards under the ribcage, kidneys, or neck (sawing it out).

Slashes look pretty gruesome, but that doesn't finish the fight.

Waving it around with fancy moves is just asking to having it whacked out of your hand and stuck up your ass by someone using a coat as a flail. Someone like me who has a pound of lead shot sewn into the bottom hem of his coats for that very use. :)

A triangular spike is better than a knife. Not the plastic crap you can buy for $5, but an 8" steel/aluminium spike with bloodgrooves and razor sharp edges. This is what the OSS issued during WW2. The wound stays open to bleed, and the weapon can't be used for slashing, only stabbing, thus the only attack mode is the most fatal one.

With a spike, you can stab through a ballistic vest that would stop a regular knife, or through the skull for an impromptu field lobotomy. :D

As a defense against knives in countries that are really into that sort of thing (Spain, mexico, france), you could buy a set of kevlar sleeves (used by meatcutters) and sew them into your coat sleeves. Then, if attacked, you can use your arms to shield yourself without getting them sliced to ribbons while you draw your own weapon or retreat. Oh, and don't forget the lead shot in the coat hem.

Quoted from marc animal macyoung

When the conversation quoted above starts to head down that direction, I begin to feel an overwhelming urge to put my forehead into my hand and shake my head, because I know I am about to get a long dissertation on how great of a knife fighter this guy is. Yep, he's a knifefighter alright -- his business card even says so. And I *know* that I am going to be regaled with awe inspiring tales of all the knife fights that his instructor not only survived - but gloriously won - using this awesome knife fighting system that studmuffins now knows.

Not to put too fine of a point on it, but this is like a virgin telling me he knows everything there is about sex because he's studied porno movies. The only people who are going to be impressed are other virgins. And all the cocky arrogance the world about his training isn't going to change the fact, that such a person is still a virgin -- therefore NOT a knifefighter.

And those of us who have been there -- having faced the horror and the terror of having someone actually try to kill us --take a dim view of this kind of swaggering arrogance. Not only is it dangerous to teach, but it totally ignores the awful realities of facing a knife in the hands of someone who wants to kill you.

And if you ever find yourself in a situation involving knives difference between reality and fantasy can - and will - either kill you or put you in prison. end quote

who cares, really if this technique works better than that where talking about an edged weapon an instrument that will kill your opponent very quickly, or have you dead just as quick.
in the combat sense if the fuckin towelheads come chargin i aint gunna be relying on my knife but good gun drills, and some pretty niffty chem warfare equip respirator etc, if it came down to a knife fight.im in some serious shit 1st and 2nd who cares my job is going to be to kill another human being as quickly as possible so i will use whats available. what is anyone thinking carrying a knife for self protection, its a weapon to kill if confronted with some one with a knife in a street CONFRONTATION i will say again, whatever i see around me i can use as quickly and as violently as possible through there fucking skull, this negates the legal process by removing the victims claims to compensation. what more needs to be said.