A while ago there were discussions that it would be convenient to have a database of snitches who might disturb our peaceful recreational activities. Apparently others had similar problems/ideas:

http://www.whosarat.com/
http://www.carmichaelcase.com/

At the Hive, they're discussing this, too. The biggest problem at the moment seems to be, how to make sure nobody gets added to the list who's innocent. Any ideas?

Also a database of "trolls". You would have to conduct a reasonably careful investigation, to exclude the innocent, especially in view of the possibility of impersonation.

Bugger.

Hmm, more and more people are catching up:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/Popup?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Cnews%5Cstories.nsf&docid=B9CECFC919A9AD4386256EF7001FC9D2

"Investigators found two laptop computers, which they said was common for
escorts who work the Internet. But on a Web site on at least one of the
computers, the police found something quite uncommon. It was a listing of their
own cell phone numbers, undercover names, makes and models of their cars and
even license plate numbers.

Prostitutes had paid careful attention to details, for example listing a cell
phone number if it had been used to make an appointment that turned into an
arrest.

Only a hooker with a secure log-in could get access to the Web page, police
were told, and only someone with several hookers to vouch for her could get the
log-in."

It'd be far better to exclude 100% of the pork, at the cost of excluding innocents, then to include the innocent and letting in a pig.

My my, the hoars are going high tech. Now I bet the pigs will pass laws making it a felony to posess any kind of identifying information of undercover operations.

Try bribing them. The pigs, everywhere, are corrupt.

Bugger.

IMO, the whores ought to do a little bit of research and start flooding their online phone pages with several of the local piggies and select officials home and cell phone #'s (under a heading of "Best Customers", of course). :D It might be a sort of "Get Out of Jail Free" card, or at least add some desired "stirring up of the shit" on a local level.

What's needed is a biometric database of piggies.

Faces, irises, DNA, etc.

If every high-level criminal organization required that of their customers and "employees", knowingly or not, then infiltration and undercover work would be a one-time thing for a pig, as the biometric data of the known or suspected narc could be circulated among the underground and then the piggie would never again be able to infiltrate, as the first time he tried doing again, his biometrics would give him away and he'd be dead. :)

This would greatly complicate the pigs efforts, as any undercover agent would have to be a total unknown in order to do his job, but that'd also mean he'd never have had prior experience at such a level, as he wouldn't have been able to do dozens of infiltrations to gain experience.

How many investigations could there be if every pigs first time was also his last? It'd probably drop from thousands to dozens. :p

And as it became apparent to the lower echelon crims that it's working for the Big Boys, and the technology gets cheaper, it would trickle down, making even street-level investigations a one-time thing.

Naturally, the pigs would develop counter-measures, such as fake fingerprints/iris contacts, etc.

BUT...that would eventually leak out to the criminal element, and they'd be using it themselves for criminal purposes, thus subverting the whole purpose of biometrics as a unique form of indentification for use by the government for control. :p

Isn't there certain questions that the swine aren't allowed to ask? Or things they aren't allowed to say, lest they be guilty of entrapment or some forbidden territory of the like?
If so, why not just ask them certain questions or get them to ask questions. If they beat around the bush, assume they are pigs.

Psylonic, that is a dangerous area. In the USA it is entrapment, in the UK it is fine! A cop here can call you up and try to arrange anything, and it is you who gets done, not the cop. (Interesting if you were a cop, you could get a lot of "work" done for free!)

The idea of a big ol' database of police is a good one. Even little things, like what the license plates were, would be great. There is a handheld numberplate reader on the market, if that was programmed with all the police plates in the database, if an unmarked car followed you, or even just drove down your street, you would know!

In the UK the police will do you for having such a db, though. A case a few years back where the police arrested a man taking photos of the police cars at the station, and he was let off at the trial only because he had yet to put the numbers in a computer system. They have since changed the law! Of course, the police use this law to get away with filming protesters and having camera vans rolling down the streets of, e.g. Manchester, but you try doing it back and you get arrested... Data Protection Act, don't you know!

I have often wondered why, if you are unsure about a new "friend" in certain circumstances, the leaders don't simply bug the suspect until he goes home, or whatever, where he would be fairly sure to reveal his true colours, even with something as trivial as a simple FM audio bug, within 48 hours. Put �200 towards working out who is the copper, then play him like a fool.

EDIT:
I thought of something I thought of a while back. The PGP keyring system that uses "Friend of a Friend" is dangerous, because your friend might not be as careful as you. The same with this - one careful person in a trusted position could feed everything in and out, and corrupt the entire database, whilst attacking those using it via a third party proxy. Of course, anyone who vouched for a cop would have to be thrown out, as they either knew and we complicit, or they were vouching for someone they didn't actually know! Beyond this, if a person (A) vouched for two people (B & C) who later vouched for a cop each, then the odds are that A is indirectly a copper, who is bringing other cops (B & C) in one at a time to undermine the whole thing. Of course, it could go back further generations, too!

The "Friend of a Friend" thing is often how pigs infiltrate.

"Oh, this is my cousin from Dallas, he's cool.". :rolleyes:

There's no point in having rules without consequences for breaking them.

Since you can't realistically expect to castrate every person who posts bad intel on an internet database, you have to make it financial. A deposit of some sizeable sum, like $100, in escrow, would be good.

If they're not pigs, than the money gets them access to data well worth the money.

If they are pork, or help pork, than that money only further helps the database. :)

I'd install DVR's across the street from the parking lots of police stations, courthouses, and federal buildings. This should give you a sizeable bumber of the existing pig-mobiles, as well as anyone who associates with them.

You won't get everyone, but it's a start.

I have often wondered what may come of setting up surveilence outside of major police acadamies and training camps. Every undercover has to start as a rookie somewhere right? With facial recognition systems just about ready for prime time the process could be automated. Or you could do it the good old way and have a mug book. Those entering and leaving a police academy may not all be bacon, but it is a damn good possibility they are.

If they're coming out of a cop station, and aren't in chains, then they're either pork, or friend of pork.

Same with the training camps.

If there's one thing to watch, it should be the FBI training camp at Quantico. That'd give you every FBI agent in the country.

'Course, you'd have to wait 20 years or so to allow all the current 'eyes to be retired before you could be sure you got all of them in your database, but as a future immortal;) I take the long term view to things. :)

Entrapment is not illegal in the US. It can only be used as a defense in court, which you have to prove true. I took part of a private investigator course and thats what it said.