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cutefix
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From: california
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posted 07-05-2001 03:17 AM
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Guys, Is there any information about the availabity of De Lisle Carbine?This weapon is used by the British commandos during World War ll.I think this silenced weapon is impressive,simple in construction,bolt action, using cal.45ACP ammunition. It has an effective range of 250 meters. Comparable to silenced rifles!Indeed a very neat weapon!
If not available, is there any blueprint or suitable diagram available so as to guide improvisation?
[This message has been edited by cutefix (edited July 05, 2001).]
AR-15 Man
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posted 07-05-2001 12:25 PM
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Yea it uses 1911 magazines. It is currently avaible for civilian sell in the United State if you pay the 200 dollar tax and register it with the NFA registry. The price is 1700 dollars. They are one of the best silenced rifles made. Because it was designed to be silenced and .45 ACP is already supsonic.
angelo
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posted 07-05-2001 08:19 PM
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here is what it looks like:
pretty plain looking
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if our society had shown me a path other than violence, I would have taken it.
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cutefix
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From: california
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posted 07-05-2001 08:41 PM
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Thank You very much for your help guys,I will try to procure that weapon here in U.S.
AR-15 Man
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posted 07-05-2001 09:39 PM
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You realize it is a regulated NFA item. It takes a ATF background check. Also you have to be 21, get a chief law enforcement officer sign off on it, get fingerprinted and photo taken. Then when the ATF gets done playing with themselves in about 5 months you can have you weapon.
nbk2000
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From: Satans asshole!
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-05-2001 10:43 PM
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Some people just don't realize the difficulty of dealing with the system. It isn't like you can p8ick up a silenced weapon at your local gunstore and walk out with it.
The governement doesn't like the idea of people having shit like this, but the constitution says we can, so they make it as difficult as possible to discourage people from trying.
And what would you do with it anyways?
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cutefix
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From: california
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posted 07-06-2001 05:38 AM
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I still think there is some way to get,whatever it takes,I have a special use for it,but not for evil intent to be sure.It is also a good collectors item anyway.If a lot of people collect artwork ,others have desire for collecting weapons and other military paraphernalia..
Mr Cool
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posted 07-06-2001 03:44 PM
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OK, I know fuck-all about guns, but if I was a collector I'd collect something better looking than that!
Although if the British used it it must have been good!
Well, good luck on getting one.
Anthony
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From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-06-2001 07:41 PM
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I duuno if this extends to firearms but I hear that in the US you can have silence air rifles if the silencer is built in as part of the gun (i.e and internal silenver) Maybe if there is a rifle produced with a barrel shroud kinda silencer as standard then maybe you could get one of those?
Heavy Recoil
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posted 07-07-2001 12:17 AM
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It probibly would not be that hard to make, colt 1911 barrels can be ordered, all but the recever can be ordered without a licence in the states (I think). One of the best sites on silencers is www.wetworx.com or go.to/nemeses I dont know the exact address. A saying that my real dad said to me on building things was if it was made before 1945, it can be made at home with rudimental equipment. (nuclear bombs are easy, getting the uranium is hard)
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"I'm not an assassin. killing is more of a hobby with me."' Robert A. Heinlein
[This message has been edited by Heavy Recoil (edited July 07, 2001).]
cutefix
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From: california
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-07-2001 12:19 AM
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One thing I like about the de Lisle was it was claimed to be one of the quitest silenced firearm. After the war, a lot of this guns were destroyed by the British themselves because they fear that this efficient weapon will fall into the bad guys.I think only a few was left,maybe as museum pieces.It was claimed by its users during the war that the victim cannot hear a report from the gun even at 50 meters!However, because it was bolt operated,that is more noticeable sound heard only.Its simplicity is an inspiration for such a well crafted weapon for clandestine operation.
Mr Cool
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posted 07-07-2001 11:47 AM
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Did any other UK people see the program about a year ago on spies? They demonstrated a few of the weapons like umbrella guns etc., and one thing they had was a silenced full-auto rifle. The only noise came from the firing pin, a slight "click-click-click-click!"
I was really quite impressed. It might even have been the De Lisle, I don't know.
Frequent Poster
Posts: 330
From: california
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-05-2001 03:17 AM
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Guys, Is there any information about the availabity of De Lisle Carbine?This weapon is used by the British commandos during World War ll.I think this silenced weapon is impressive,simple in construction,bolt action, using cal.45ACP ammunition. It has an effective range of 250 meters. Comparable to silenced rifles!Indeed a very neat weapon!
If not available, is there any blueprint or suitable diagram available so as to guide improvisation?
[This message has been edited by cutefix (edited July 05, 2001).]
AR-15 Man
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From:
Registered: OCT 2000
posted 07-05-2001 12:25 PM
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Yea it uses 1911 magazines. It is currently avaible for civilian sell in the United State if you pay the 200 dollar tax and register it with the NFA registry. The price is 1700 dollars. They are one of the best silenced rifles made. Because it was designed to be silenced and .45 ACP is already supsonic.
angelo
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Posts: 298
From:
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-05-2001 08:19 PM
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here is what it looks like:
pretty plain looking
------------------
if our society had shown me a path other than violence, I would have taken it.
angelo's place | have a good link? add it here | go to the OZ Forum
cutefix
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Posts: 330
From: california
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-05-2001 08:41 PM
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Thank You very much for your help guys,I will try to procure that weapon here in U.S.
AR-15 Man
Frequent Poster
Posts: 192
From:
Registered: OCT 2000
posted 07-05-2001 09:39 PM
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You realize it is a regulated NFA item. It takes a ATF background check. Also you have to be 21, get a chief law enforcement officer sign off on it, get fingerprinted and photo taken. Then when the ATF gets done playing with themselves in about 5 months you can have you weapon.
nbk2000
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Posts: 1235
From: Satans asshole!
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-05-2001 10:43 PM
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Some people just don't realize the difficulty of dealing with the system. It isn't like you can p8ick up a silenced weapon at your local gunstore and walk out with it.
The governement doesn't like the idea of people having shit like this, but the constitution says we can, so they make it as difficult as possible to discourage people from trying.
And what would you do with it anyways?
------------------
"The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
Go here to download the NBK2000 website PDF.
Go here to download the NBK2000 videos.
cutefix
Frequent Poster
Posts: 330
From: california
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-06-2001 05:38 AM
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I still think there is some way to get,whatever it takes,I have a special use for it,but not for evil intent to be sure.It is also a good collectors item anyway.If a lot of people collect artwork ,others have desire for collecting weapons and other military paraphernalia..
Mr Cool
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Posts: 1013
From: None of your bloody business!
Registered: DEC 2000
posted 07-06-2001 03:44 PM
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OK, I know fuck-all about guns, but if I was a collector I'd collect something better looking than that!
Although if the British used it it must have been good!
Well, good luck on getting one.
Anthony
Moderator
Posts: 2383
From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-06-2001 07:41 PM
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I duuno if this extends to firearms but I hear that in the US you can have silence air rifles if the silencer is built in as part of the gun (i.e and internal silenver) Maybe if there is a rifle produced with a barrel shroud kinda silencer as standard then maybe you could get one of those?
Heavy Recoil
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Posts: 55
From: nope, try again
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-07-2001 12:17 AM
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It probibly would not be that hard to make, colt 1911 barrels can be ordered, all but the recever can be ordered without a licence in the states (I think). One of the best sites on silencers is www.wetworx.com or go.to/nemeses I dont know the exact address. A saying that my real dad said to me on building things was if it was made before 1945, it can be made at home with rudimental equipment. (nuclear bombs are easy, getting the uranium is hard)
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"I'm not an assassin. killing is more of a hobby with me."' Robert A. Heinlein
[This message has been edited by Heavy Recoil (edited July 07, 2001).]
cutefix
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Posts: 330
From: california
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-07-2001 12:19 AM
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One thing I like about the de Lisle was it was claimed to be one of the quitest silenced firearm. After the war, a lot of this guns were destroyed by the British themselves because they fear that this efficient weapon will fall into the bad guys.I think only a few was left,maybe as museum pieces.It was claimed by its users during the war that the victim cannot hear a report from the gun even at 50 meters!However, because it was bolt operated,that is more noticeable sound heard only.Its simplicity is an inspiration for such a well crafted weapon for clandestine operation.
Mr Cool
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Posts: 1013
From: None of your bloody business!
Registered: DEC 2000
posted 07-07-2001 11:47 AM
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Did any other UK people see the program about a year ago on spies? They demonstrated a few of the weapons like umbrella guns etc., and one thing they had was a silenced full-auto rifle. The only noise came from the firing pin, a slight "click-click-click-click!"
I was really quite impressed. It might even have been the De Lisle, I don't know.