Talk:Naruto: Shinobi (5e Class)/Archive 4

Debates

Scrolls

I am having a debate with my DM on the normal scrolls. In short, I attempted to keep eyes inside the medium scroll to conserve them for later examination under the idea that the eyes would be stuck in stasis and wouldn't rot (they would only rot in the 13th level Giant Scroll that is meant to seal in individuals). However, my DM let me know when I took the eyes out about 2 weeks later that the eyes had rotted. We decided to post a discussion thread here and let you guys decide for us.

TL:DR: Can the small, medium, large and weapon scrolls hold dead biological matter in stasis to the point where it wouldn't rot?

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2019 (MDT)

I have always ruled that biological matter wouldn’t rot inside scrolls. Obviously it wouldn’t work for weapon scrolls but that’s beside the point. If I remember correctly, food is stored for extended periods of time in scrolls a number of times in the series. -Ref3rence (talk) 06:12, 22 October 2019 (MDT)

My DM doesn't agree with you, and decided to wait until Monday in case someone else responds and decide then, especially since he couldn't find any proof of food being stored inside the scrolls. I appreciate your quick response however, and in the end the decision will be made on Monday. I'll update this when the situation is resolved.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 08:29, 22 October 2019 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I think your DM may be right. While I can remember several scenes where a character pulled biological matter out of a scroll, they always seemed to be medical ninja/someone with medical knowledge(Orochimaru). For eyes especially, the show has made sure to emphasize that the eyes must be stored in a liquid solution of some sort in order to remain fresh. This can be seen in the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. ((Spoiler Alert)) While that was a Genjutsu, the idea of that solution is presented once again when Obito implants Itachi's eyes into Sasuke. That all being said, the biological material of the Naruto shinobi seems to be more durable than a normal humans, and scrolls do seem to have some kind of stasis effect, so it does seem like the eyes would at least survive two weeks. You could ask your DM if there's a way to make the eyes last maybe a week longer ((If you can get to a populated place with shops within a week)), and in that week try to purchase said preserving liquid, or try to alter the scroll to specifically preserve eyes. It doesn't guarantee your success with the eyes, but it gives you a chance to save them at least. Plus, I think it would be hilarious to have your character ask some random fruit vendor if they have information on any preserving liquids sold there, get a Nat 20, and then watch as this innocent vendor suddenly pulls a canister out of a watermelon and change the tone dramatically. --ReaperSRS

Path of the Warrior

Is warrior of steel intended to allow you to use your martial arts damage die to your melee weapon attacks. I want to implement it as this but then it conflicts with the laido ability which works off of increasing the weapon damage die.

I don't see how it conflicts. To be clear, the feature your referencing is Refined Warfare, which you get at 10th level. At 10th level, you martial arts die is 2d4. If you use Refined Warfare, it just increases the damage die to 2d6. It just increases the d4s to d6s.

• When it becomes 3d4, Refined Warfare increases it to 3d6.
• When it becomes 4d4, Refined Warfare increases it to 4d6.

Dojutsu

Can someone get the byakugan implanted if they already own the sharingan but one eye gets cut?

Yes, someone can have more than 1 Dōjutsu in such a situation. --Ref3rence (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2019 (MDT)

Could someone also use the flying raijian to teleport into or out the kamui dimension?

Yes, Flying Raijin works through dimensions. --Ref3rence (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2019 (MDT)

Can you add Ranmaru's Kekkei Genkai

Ranmaru’s Kekkei Genkai was added as the Anti-Dojutsu boon. Everything else is in the works. -Ref3rence (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2020 (MST)

Nindo and Wind Style changes

I don't see the point of the "I will master all jutsu" nindo. You already gain all basic jutsu as you level up anyway. Or is this intended to gain some basic jutsu early/above your level?

As for the Rasenshuriken, I don't agree with the effect being cured at the end of a long rest. If it's meant to mirror how lucky Naruto was to avoid the permanent effects, then wouldn't it be better to make it so the user is only affected until a long rest while everyone else in the radius is affected until they recieve Greater Restoration? Because there is practically no reason to use Greater Restoration right now, when you can just rest as soon as possible.- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 12:25, 8 November 2019 (MST)

The new Nindo is intended for each Chakra Nature’s basic technique, not basic ninjutsu, that’s my bad on imprecise wording. As for Rasenshuriken, I added the long rest option because there’s a very real possibility that removing the ability to cast any jutsu or spells would permanently make a character useless, especially if they are the only one in the party capable of casting Greater Restoration. -Ref3rence (talk) 19:13, 8 November 2019 (MST)

Ah, fair enough.

As for the Greater Restoration, the world is big. It could be a very interesting quest to find someone that can cast or use jutsu/pills of an effect similar to Greater Restoration. Plus, the odds of friendly fire happening aren't the highest and something shouldn't be balanced on the off-chance of a party member's stupidity.

I do love the idea of a DMing a quest for players affected by that. Or even seeing the character development of a PC unable to cast jutsu. Could even give them a benefit through a feat or so with them training and learning to fight without charka but through taijutsu or Iaidō or Iaijutsu.

I know this is mostly personal in that case, but I do believe it is for the best. Not to mention, it is more accurate to the source material.- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 20:48, 8 November 2019 (MST)

That’s absolutely fair. I will undo that edit and clarify the Nindo. -Ref3rence (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2019 (MST)

Can having the perfected seal feat have your jutsus still be copied by an uchiha? it doesn't specify...

That’s really up to a DM, but I would say no. -Ref3rence (talk) 11:05, 16 December 2019 (MST)

If wood clones have the same statistic as Shadow clones, if you get the multi Shadow clone feat will it only cost two chakra to make them. Also can someone use their jutsu affinity To get more rinnegan affinity

The Rinnegan is not a chakra nature transformation, thus jutsu affinity does not affect it in any way. Wood clones are affected by Multi-Shadow Clone Master’s reduced cost, but I’m unsure why that matters as Multi removes the total limit, while the only benefit of wood clones is that they don’t count against your total.

Are Shadow clones able to be identified usuing dojutsu like rinnegan or sharingan?

Chakra Detection detects magical/chakra effects, so they would be able to identify shadow clones. -Ref3rence (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2020 (MST)

i am playing a HB campaign with my brother and i am path of exalted but i checked it out and though it could be edited. these are my ideas on improvements. For the Deva path of pain (yahiko) does the Shinra Tensei multiple times without appearing to use his chakra. so i thought maybe make it cost 0 or 1 chakra and make it 10 ft range, and say that you cant use again until 5 seconds (1 round is 6 seconds) so 1 round util you can use it, and the more force/chakra (range) makes the recharge longer, and the same goes for shinra tensei. i also was thinking maybe the exalted path could use some editing? -Karlvisher also if i could help in some small way with designing anime classes that would be great if that's not too much to ask - Karlvisher

Even with a recharge time, allowing for unlimited uses of Shinra Tensei would be incredibly unbalanced. As long as you're willing to flesh it out, you're free to create whatever you want. --Ref3rence (talk) 07:27, 25 July 2020 (MDT)

Mangekyou

I noticed that in the path of hatred the time for the mangenkio is missing

The timer/activation was just a hold over from a previous form, thanks for catching that. --Ref3rence (talk) 07:27, 25 July 2020 (MDT)

Another thing I noticed is that probably by error you forgot to add the sharingan implantation.

All Dojutsu implantations are covered under the Ninja Paths header. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:00, 25 July 2020 (MDT)

For the Mangekyo Tsukuyomi, what higher levels are there to cast, and how does it affect the ability's effects? Or should those parts just be ignored

Thanks for catching that, the issue has been resolved. --Ref3rence (talk) 19:53, 16 September 2020 (MDT)

Izanagi

What does “increases the ability's duration to 10 minutes and enables its use as an action“ mean in Izanagi, a jutsu that’s used to negate a death? -Ref3rence (talk) 11:21, 8 November 2019 (MST)

It allows the user to use it in advance, when they think or know they're about to do something that will kill them. This saves them from having to use their reaction (in case they already used it or need to use it) since the ability will automatically bring them back if they die during the duration.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2019 (MST)

Thank you. I may edit the description later to make that a little more evident. -Ref3rence (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2019 (MST)

No worries, that's fair enough.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2019 (MST)

EMS=

Okay the way how the ems is it actually doesn't give you an additional 2 abilities It's just that when you get the eyes it has the possibility of changing your mangekyou abilities There is no way to get 4 mangekyou abilities unless have for eyes (Sorry it was just really bugging me and also kind of makes the path of hatred a lot more powerful although that is a boon)

The Eternal Mangekyou does actually give the user the abilities of the other recipient. You can check it on the Naruto Wiki. -Kiralokiin (talk) 11:38, 11 November 2019 (MST)

But if that's the case that means Sasuke should be able to use tsukiyomi but he's never used it

I see your point, but simply because he doesn't use it, it doesn't mean he can't. - Kiralokiin (talk) 11:52, 11 November 2019 (MST)

but if he could don't you think it would have been mentioned in a Data book right now or he probably would have used it already

This is all information taken from the Wiki, buddy. If you like, you can go over there and check their sources but as of now, I'm sure that the current way it works is fine. -Kiralokiin (talk) 09:42, 12 November 2019 (MST)

Maybe a chakra cost for mangekyou abilities

For the Mangekyō abilities, I believe that the threat of damage and, more importantly, exhaustion makes a chakra cost unnecessary. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:04, 17 July 2019 (MDT)

Jinchuriki

Do the jinchuriki while in tailed best mode have the attacks and abilities of their tailed best and if so could a jinchuriki transform in kunistukami?

While in Tailed Beast Mode, you retain your own features in addition to the Tailed Beast's. It's stated in the description of Kunitsukami (5e Creature), that in order to become it, you need a piece of all of the Tailed Beasts' chakra in addition to some form of Six Paths chakra, so technically they could, but only under the right circumstances. --Ref3rence (talk) 07:27, 25 July 2020 (MDT)

OK thanks

Other

Also just asking but should the three smaller rasengans that's part of planetary Rasengan do regular rasengan damage Because for a move that takes up that much chakra it takes a full turn to set up it doesn't seem worth it damage wise

I could see about slightly buffing it, but as is, 60 feet of knock-back is pretty powerful if used right. The best I could give would be a cost decrease. -Ref3rence (talk) 05:51, 12 December 2019 (MST)

Yo ref why is the page on lockdown is it because of balancing or did something happen??and if it's because of balancing where's the thing that they're trying to balance

The Page is currently locked due to a disagreement regarding the balance of Swift Style: Surge. The discussion on it is still ongoing, but I’m hoping it concludes shortly. -Ref3rence (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2020 (MST)

This isn't much of a request as much as a question(I didn't know where to put this). I was wondering what happens if a player or npc seals the Ten-tails inside themselves. I am aware of the Jinchuuriki race and Path of the Beast. I was wondering if being the Jinchuuriki of the Ten-tails does anything special. In some parts of Path of Totality and Path of the Sage, it mentions possibly giving the sub-class features as an epic boon. Is this what was referred to? Sorry if it is a stupid question. Deducted

No worries. How powerful a Ten-Tails jinchuriki is ultimately dependent on the DM. If the DM wants the player to be more like Juubito or doesn't want them to suddenly become way more powerful than other players, a handful of Sage and Totality features would do fine. If the DM is less concerned about that and wants more of a Madara-type jinchuriki, it'd be more along the lines of all Sage and Totality features, Rinne Sharingan, and Six Paths Sage Mode. Hope this helps. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:21, 17 May 2020 (MDT)

This helps a bunch! Thank you for the answer, btw huge fan of your work. Deducted

I don't know if this is were I would ask this. I was wondering about the Kakashi cells if you get that boon do you add the chakra points and the constitution then half it or do I half the chakra points then add the constitution? -D

Kakashi's cells halve the total amount of chakra. --Ref3rence (talk) 00:57, 21 May 2020 (MDT)

Okay Thanks so much!!! I really love your work! Keep up the great work!!! I also had a question about the feats I am pretty new to dnd and me and a couple of my friends were gonna start a campaign online because of the corona and I was gonna use this as my class. I saw that is says I could choose a ninja feat instead of a normal feat, but I don't know anything about normal feats lol. So I was hoping you could help me out?-D

Feats are an optional rule that allows a player to replace the Ability Score Increase feature with any one feat. —Ref3rence (talk) 17:55, 21 May 2020 (MDT)

Okay thanks again. Also for the Kakashi's cells do you round down or up when you half it? -D

I’m not really in a good place to edit right now, but I would say round up on Kakashi’s Cells. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2020 (MDT)

Okay thanks again. You do great work! You need a break sometimes.-D

I really think, that the explosive style is very "control" thinking about everything that it represents in the anime. In Naruto, the explosive style used by Deidara is super aggressive and apparently seeks to do tons of damage to his jutsus and explosions, and on this site he looks much more like a thinking style.think it's something that can be changed?

The main Explosion Style that one can get as a Kekkei Genkai in this class is built more so around how Gari uses it. Deidara's clay-based Explosive Style jutsu are under their own unique jutsu tab. I don't think it'd be a good idea to make them deal lots of damage with little thought. --Ref3rence (talk) 11:54, 27 May 2020 (MDT)

I understand, I didn’t remember Gari, but thanks for the explanation, (when I talked about not thinking too much I just meant to be a style closer to fire, which gives a lot of damage but doesn’t necessarily bring control in your quit)

I was wondering could the basic ice style be used the way shoto todoroki uses his ice just to like freeze someone to restrain them not like how he freezes the entire building I just mean it as more of one person?-D

It's up to a DM's discretion, but I'd say you could create restraints, but not directly freeze an entire person directly.--Ref3rence (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2020 (MDT)

I would like for perfect susanoo to be an epic boon that like an extra stage of susanoo, same for indura susanoo (tho it would have to have the requirement of perfect susanoo) that would be pretty cool. i was thinking it could be an extra +7 or so to ac, and just like now an extra attack with your susanoo weapon. would also like if your susanoo weapon was chosen by the player, after all they susanoo weapon didn't really seem to me like an alignment thing. thank you for hearing me out - The Archmage Karsus

Perfect Susanoo's official name is Complete Body Susanoo, and is currently a Mangekyou ability based on the fact that Madara was never shown having any ability, but is almost never shown not having Complete Body Susanoo; Majestic Attire Susanoo was also wrapped into the same feature. Indra Susanoo is already an epic boon. I may modify Susanoo to allow for choosing one's weapons later, but I believe the current system is far more interesting. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:04, 6 November 2020 (MST)

The main part of my sugestion was making Complete body susanoo (I was confused by the susanoo that sasuke used againts madara before obtaining his rinnegan, the same one he combined with his curse mark) have an increase in ac compared to armoured as it is shown in lore to have an increase in durability compared to it due to being if i remember corectly a susanoo on top of a susanoo, but thanks for hearing me out! I would like to say that in the anime indra's susanoo was if i remember corectly extremely hot in tempurature so i wanted to sugest that maybe it could deal extra fire damage on unarmed strikes, as well as deal fire damage to those that touch it via unarmed strikes. I profusely thank you for hearing me out again! -The Archmage Karsus

No worries. I've nerfed Complete Body Susanoo to counterbalance the AC increase as it was already one of the more powerful Mangekyō abilities, but it should still be plenty useful. I haven't been able to find anything on the Indra Susanoo being hot beyond its lightning aesthetic, however, so that effect has not been added. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:37, 6 November 2020 (MST)

I apologize for not showing this earlier, I didn't really have time to look for it at that point. Sorry for the inconvenience! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHa-k7GDtn8 at 37 seconds. in adition, i have found that madara was able to use izanagi if that helps you in the future -The Archmage Karsus

Thanks, the passive damage has been added. Also, Izanagi is a technique that any Sharingan user can use regardless of Mangekyou. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:05, 6 November 2020 (MST)

Thanks for hearing me out! love your work! -The Archmage Karsus

I wanted to request that Bijuu chakra modes gave an ac bonus, as it was a little weird to me that it normally doesnt, because it is faster than lighting mode in reaction time.

I have chosen to slightly increase its damage reduction so as to greater differentiate it from similar features, and so as to balance it given recent Susanoo changes and a previous nerf. --Ref3rence (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2020 (MST)

If this is not in-depth enough or there is something still confusing you, please let me know. --Ref3rence (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2020 (MST)

Oh! This helps a bunch! I thought that it meant I still had to acquire unique Jutsu the normal way, thanks for clearing that up! Does that mean I can take Path unique jutsu as well? Big fan of your work, keep it up.

As long as you have the necessary prerequisites, you absolutely can. It's also important to note that Fuinjutsu and Chakra Absorbing Jutsu still require their respective feats. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:04, 28 November 2020 (MST)

What exactly does the mystical palm Jutsu do?

Thanks for catching that! The description must have gotten lost in a previous edit. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:26, 5 December 2020 (MST)

How much chakra does the wood clones need to be made cuz from what it looks like they are literally just there?

Since they take 3 hours to create, they do not cost any chakra. That being said, I intend to completely rework Hashi cells some time in the future, but most likely not soon since my hands are kinda full for the minute. --Ref3rence (talk) 10:18, 12 December 2020 (MST)

Dunno if this is the right section or not. But could you take a look at the Path of Shikigami's 3rd feature? At will and no cost means they could hypothetically duplicate an unlimited amount of shuriken.

Thanks for catching that, I have changed it to be more in line with what I had originally intended. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2020 (MST)

Is the creation of everything jutsu actually meant to be able to copy any jutsu? I feel like more or less everyone who gets that kekkei genkai would just spam the 500 damage kaguya move, since its only 5 chakra more, and there are more or less 0 downsides to the jutsu.

Revised wording that, while previously implied, should have been outright stated from the beginning. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:45, 14 December 2020 (MST)

Hello, the All Killing Ash-Bones jutsu is still within the range of how you reworded Creation of Everything. You still spend 45 chakra, to cast a 40 chakra jutsu that can effectively rend most major threats. And while a DM should be the one to lead in their players, and not allow them to get -that- out of control, I imagine something that Kaguya herself uses exclusively, a Kekkei Mora, would be at least at a chakra cost higher than the Creation of Everything Jutsu, as it is a very powerful jutsu, created by the mother of the sage of six paths(Who created the CoET jutsu.) 500 damage on just a spell attack roll, is crazily strong. Though easily avoided, I can see it becoming an issue for the players who -seriously- want to head down the Yin-Yang style. Thanks again! :)

Modified AKAB to be more of a post-20th level jutsu for Path of Suffering players, with the lower cost being mostly for Otsutsuki/Boon bankers. Also added a restriction to CoE, because it doesn't make much sense for it to be able to produce jutsu like 64 Palms. I kinda adapted CoE lazily the first time around with the idea of "it's just Wish" without considering this class's equivalent of 10th level spells, so you helping me workshop it is a big help, thanks. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:47, 15 December 2020 (MST)

Samehada seems to be a bit lack luster when compared to the other 7 blades, given the swords notoriety in the show. A fusion mechanic, or making it more in line with the Kisame statblock would make it a much nicer addition.

And to make Dojutsu Master more valuable, I would add stipulations to Byakugan, and Ketsuryugan to make it so you can only Master so much of a dojutsu before you need dojutsu Master, if they're implanted. Rinnegan as well should probably get one, to discourage players who haven't taken them as a starting subclass to not go on an eye hunt.

Samehada deals 3d8 damage and restores chakra, so it's already pretty powerful compared to the others. Implantation limitations are listed immediately under the Ninja Paths heading. --Ref3rence (talk) 21:05, 15 December 2020 (MST)

Fair enough, I did misread Samehada, to an extent. But I still feel it's somewhat lackluster compared to the other blades. But I digress.

You may create a number of hands up to the most tails your Tailed Beast has for an equal number of chakra points that last until the end of this feature. - Is listed under Bijuu Chakra Mode(Lvl 15) on the Path of the Beast. What does this exactly do, besides give you more hands? Does it increase action economy? Or is it just decorative?

And for the final ability of the puppeteer class, does that turn you into a different entity, giving you a new stat block? If not, adding proficiency bonus overtop of all of those things could be a bit iffy. More so at levels surpassing level 20, but even once you hit it. It would stack with unarmored defense, which already gives proficiency bonus overtop, stacking to what... Proficiency at level 20 is +6 I believe. So +6 to Ac as default due to unarmored. And then an additional +6 AC?

And the Truth-Seeking Orb Execution jutsu. 10d8 is a lot, but given that the orbs can literally turn anything they touch to dust, inserting one slowly into someone's brain should probably just kill them out right. 3 turns of not being able to do anything for this could be extended to 5-6 turns to make up for this fact, but I do sincerely feel it should just kill the target outright. Maybe increase the cost, as well?

And finally, 3 feats, the Nara Shinobi, Fuuinjutsu one, and the Absorption ones state that you can take a unique nara/absorption/sealing jutsu instead of a jutsu when you gain it. How do you gain jutsu? Does it mean the jutsu you gain via leveling? There's really no clear method to 'gain jutsu,' that I can see.

BCM's hands were mainly meant to mainly assist in interactions and to be used alongside Twin Rasengan to recreate Spiraling Strife Spheres/Rasengan Barrage. The Automaton AC bonus was ill-conceived at best, and has been remedied. TSOE is now in a much better state thanks to your contributions. As for the mentioned feats, "gaining a jutsu" is exactly what it sounds like. Any time the number of jutsu you can cast increases (i.e. gaining Transformation at 4th level, gaining a jutsu of your choice at each level with non-linear jutsu), you may replace it with one of the mentioned jutsu. It's like gaining a spell. --Ref3rence (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2020 (MST)

Kirin mentions taking over an existing storm to launch the Jutsu, does this mean it is free of cost like in the series?

Revised the wording of Kirin since it was vague to begin with in more than just that aspect. Hopefully this clears things up! --Ref3rence (talk) 09:08, 18 December 2020 (MST)

Should change Jashin Immortality a bit. Itl be a bit stronger, but being knocked to 0 hp shouldn't automatically knock a head off. It should just knock em unconscious for a few rounds. Pcs should be made to figure out how to deal with it. Also, if you have a discord message ProfessorNight#2773, itl save this page from clutter as well, lol.

Does Full Body Susano increase size?

Complete-Body Susanoo does exactly what it says, nothing more, nothing less, so it does not increase size; you're still only Huge. As for Jashin immortality, I'm still trying to figure out a good way to change it. I'm thinking something along the lines of Undead Fortitude, but for any damage explicitly targeting the neck. Alternatively, we could give your neck a reduced hit point pool (maybe your neck's hit dice are 2 tiers lower?). As for the discord, I know it's kinda weird but I try to keep everything regarding this wiki on this wiki. I'll probably do an archive sweep sooner or later. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:24, 19 December 2020 (MST)

Fair enough on the Discord tidbit. If you ever change your mind, you have my disc. As for Jashin, making their neck more vulnerable is a good start. But no matter how you do it, Jashin will be strong. It's built to be strong. Perhaps decreasing the hit die of the character who takes it in general would balance it out, to make them a bit squishier.

Also, the level 10 technique for Rinnegan, Black Receiver is only usable at level 15, since he has no way to create them. Id change the wording of the creation cost, or add a lower level option for making them.

And I feel Ashura Reincarnation, while really cool, and definitely useful in the later stages, is a bit lack luster compared to Indra. Perhaps adding a smaller benefit alongside the Chakra would make it a much more sought after boon.

Took me a minute to figure out exactly what your Rinnegan criticism was, situation has been resolved. As for the reincarnations, the point is for Indra to be more powerful early on, being an immediate prodigy in canon, while Asura gradually becomes insanely more powerful, just like canon once again. --Ref3rence (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2020 (MST)

How long does the Basic Lightning Jutsu last? Only for one attack or longer, because there is no Duration mentioned?

Hi, according to the class, every time you use a Mangekyou Jutsu you must make a Constitution Saving Throw, but when using Kamui´s Phase ability, Do you need to keep on making the saving throw every time you spend chakra to maintain this ability? And once you have EMS wouldn´t it be a bit powerful, since you do not have any drawbacks? You could stay intangible for a considerable amount of time. How many uses does Mangekyou have?

You must make a Constitution saving throw every time you maintain Phase. And yes, EMS makes most, if not all, Mangekyou abilities incredibly powerful. That being said, EMS can't be obtained through leveling, and it is really at a DMs behest how/when a PC gains their EMS abilities (same goes with Rinnegan btw, Madara didn't get his until he was almost dead), so I wouldn't worry too much about that. MS doesn't have limited uses due to the threat of exhaustion/blindness, any mention is just a hold over from previous version. --Ref3rence (talk) 23:36, 22 December 2020 (MST)

The Nindo "Even the strongest of enemies have a weakness" should be changed from perception vs passive perception, to insight vs passive insight. Passive insight is 10 + Wisdom + Proficiency(If proficient in insight). Insight makes more sense for the nindo, since perception is just base observation, and insight is a fundamental dive into a target's psyche, and is used to discern lies, gaining clues from a person's body, and predicting their next moves. Sykon (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2020 (MST)

I would generally agree if it didn't specifically read vulnerabilities, which are based on body composition rather than how a person moves, thus perception is much more fitting. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:27, 28 December 2020 (MST)

Is it right that if you fail one saving throw against any type of Genjutsu (Path of Hatred or Path of Mind) you can get Paralyzed for 1 Minute, so you have basicly lost the combat? In the anime/manga there was a possibility to release someone. Mabye with a Jutsu in the Basic Style that lets you retry the save for yourself and others could make that more balanced?

Thanks for bringing the issue to my attention, it has been remedied by making it function similarly to other spells. That being said, the whole “making a player lose combat” thing isn’t entirely true, since it requires concentration, but in large numbers the problem comes up none-the-less. —Ref3rence (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2020 (MST)

Is it normal that most basic jutsu have no chakra cost?

Basic jutsu are meant to be this class's equivalent to cantrips, having a limited a cost and effect, so most do not have a cost. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:31, 26 November 2020 (MST)

Is it right that you can combine the Clone Meditation from the Sage subclass together with the Multi-Shadow Clone Jutsu Master Feat to gain like 100 Chakra and 240 temporary hit points when you dispel all Clones at once and let them all meditate for the maximum number of time so everyone gives you like 12 temporary hit points and 5 Chakra?

It was initially vague, but that was intended to still be effected by the half Intelligence time maximum. Hopefully the most recent edit has clarified this! --Ref3rence (talk) 21:26, 5 December 2020 (MST)

Howdy, me again. I noticed that Sage Art had some troubling aspects. You can use a combination of your clones meditating and that, to spend your time doubling a jutsu. My friend managed to calculate an attack over 46 thousand.

I'd be interested in seeing the calc, and if it'd be usable in anyway (especially the most recent clarification). Some changes will probably be made in the future, but that will be tomorrow's problem. --Ref3rence (talk) 22:36, 5 December 2020 (MST)

Rinnegan should benefit from ignoring visual genjutsu. It has genjutsu protection in the anime. It should at least have protection against Tsukiyomi, as Tsukiyomi is ridiculously powerful. Sykon (talk) 22:44, 31 December 2020 (MST)

While canonically Rinnegan should ignore genjutsu, it's already extremely powerful as is. It's also important to remember that Tsukuyomi has some pretty major downsides to use and requires concentration. --Ref3rence (talk) 10:08, 1 January 2021 (MST)

That is very true, however in a 1 on 1 getting hit with a Tsukiyomi is a death sentence. As it doesn't stipulate that the user has to keep making con saves as they maintain it, and can more or less keep someone paralyzed forever as they beat them to death. It would also completely destroy most otsutsuki members. And as Tsukiyomi lasted for an instant in actual time, I don't think its feasible to be able to keep it active forever. Sykon (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2021 (MST)

I have no idea how I didn't realize that Tsukuyomi only lasts for an instant this long. Maybe it should grant exhaustion from the target's mental strain? --Ref3rence (talk) 19:41, 1 January 2021 (MST)

Lmfao. Certainly still strong but more manageable. That sounds like it would work. I would add a constitution saving throw on it. Artificially enhance the DC if need be. But if someone has the fortitude to withstand exhaustion shouldn't take hold. Sykon (talk) 22:38, 1 January 2021 (MST)

Question about Dojutsu-Acceptant Biology Boon and dojutsu boons in general,

1. Let’s say I pull a Danzo and add a crap ton of Jougans to my arm, would my crit range just automatically go down depending in the amount of eyes or would their be some sort of special rule for that?

2. Is it possible to to transplant a Rinne Sharingan? If so then would there be any buffs besides Infinite Tsukoyomi?

3. Shouldn’t Jougan give the user some truesight as shown by Boruto?

4. I know you’ve clarified how dojutsus subclasses work, but I felt as if it isn’t that fleshed out like let’s say you only have 1 implanted Byakugan, would it lower your line of sight? Same goes for other dojutsu (Including Boons but excluding Jougan since I presume it’s only supposed to be 1 eye)

5. Would it be possible to take eyes of of someone with Rinnegan Manifestation/Tensei Byakugan and gain all of their abilites without the Dojutsu Master feat?

6. Could someone just flat out implant EMS eyes and gain all the MS abilites? (Excluding Susanno since that needs Dojutsu Master Ig)

Thanks for the response

1. Jōgan implantation could, theoretically, stack forever, but that would require some pretty negligent DMing. This one is absolutely up to each DM individually.

2. Rinne Sharingan implantation is also heavily DM-based, and we don't really have a canon answer. I'd rule that it would act identically to the original user using it.

3. As far as individual boons go, I feel like Jōgan truesight would push it a little too far. I plan on fleshing it out once we finally get more Boruto anime content, and chakra sense will be among the first things added.

4. As far as we've seen in canon, individual dojutsu only modify how many specific abilities you get, thus individual Byakugan wouldn't change anything.

5. All implanted dojutsu are limited by implantation regardless of acquisition, so no.

6. Once again, we don't really have a canon answer for this. I'd rule that you only would if you were a blood relative, another DM might not. --Ref3rence (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2021 (MST)

Since that Path of the Beast subclass says you can have multiple tailed beasts sealed inside you, would there be more buffs and downsides or is there gonna be an optional rule for it like you did with the Ten-Tails.

I will add rulings to the class once I finish up another project. I believe originally the only benefit was extra uses of Hidden Chakra.--Ref3rence (talk) 10:15, 6 January 2021 (MST)

Also just a slightly personal opinion you should change onyx chidori to the susanoo beads And put onyx chidori in unique jutsus.

Onyx chidori was chosen because, in my opinion, the Susanoo beads are too similar to the lawful Susanoo’s shuriken. If you suggest any unique Earth Style jutsu, I could see about adding them. -Ref3rence (talk) 11:35, 13 February 2020 (MST)

A MS ability based on Fugaku’s (Prolly could say the same for Madara and Obito) supposed ability to mind control a Tailed Beast through Genjutsu? Since the 7th level Path of Hatred ability can’t really cover it tbh

Neither Fugaku nor Madara are shown to have any unique Mangekyou ability, and we know that Obito has Kamui, so its very likely in canon that controlling a tailed beast is just a thing any three-tomoe sharingan can do. I will add charmed and frightened to genjutsu features, though it will likely be at a high cost. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2021 (MST)

Just spitballing here, but would controlling the Gedo Statue be an Epic Boon or 20th level Alternate feature for Path of the Exalted?

As detailed in [[Gedo Mazo (5e Creature)|the Gedo Mazo's creature page), any creature with a Rinnegan can do it. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:28, 27 January 2021 (MST)

Are Jinchuriki whom have befriended their tailed beast even able to be affected by Genjutsu? Their tailed beast could simply break them out of it by disrupting chakra flow. Sykon (talk) 06:29, 7 January 2021 (MST)

At the moment they are, but as other (archived) discussions have implied, I plan on reworking the tailed beasts as a whole. --Ref3rence (talk) 06:40, 7 January 2021 (MST)

I’m presuming that you can only take Totsuka Blade,Yata Mirror and Complete-Body Susanno as an MS ability once?

I guess theoretically, you could take Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror more than once, and CBS could be taken more than once with EMS (which would make sense given the size of Hagoromo's Susanoo), but none of them would really be the best idea. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:23, 9 January 2021 (MST)

In birth of the ten tails Jinchuuriki, it says sage mode minutes are always max, does this mean you are always in sage mode like Madara? Can it be turned off without releasing the tentails?

That is correct, it is permanent like Madara's Sage Mode, and the only way to end the effect is to no longer be the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2021 (MST)

For Kamui Lightning Cutter, does Susanoo need to be active?

Susanoo doesn't have to be active, the requirement is intended to represent the mastery of one's mangekyou. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:28, 10 January 2021 (MST)

Is it possible to have multiple Cursed Marks,Kama Seals and Permanence features the same way you can have multiple Tailed Beasts sealed inside of you?

I don't believe one could have more than one cursed mark for the same reason one can't intake too much natural energy in sage mode, nor Kama Seals due to the nature of the Ōtsutsuki. I will probably add rules for more bound souls in the future, however. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:28, 10 January 2021 (MST)

Since it’s kinda obvious that using Dojutsu-Acceptant Biology would grant you more MS abilities for Sharingan and presumably more Rinnegan abilities for Rinnegan. What would having extra byakugans give you?

Given how all of Shin's mangekyou had the same ability, I do not believe Dojutsu-Acceptant Biology would grant you more of either dojutsu's unique abilities. The sole purpose of the boon is to overcome the downsides of using Mangekyou to be honest. I have revised the wording to make this more clear, and have added at least 1 use for additional Byakugan. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:28, 10 January 2021 (MST)

Can you use Inorganic Reincarnation on a black receiver?

As long as it's not being held or worn, I don't see why not. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:26, 12 January 2021 (MST)

Dojutsu Clan Boons say that “You can choose this subclass at 3rd level” does that mean that subclasses have prerequisites now?

If not then I feel like they could be buffed more like the other subclass based boons considering the only thing they give is not being limited to implantation

The restriction is solely for campaigns that choose to use clans. In such a case, they are already pretty powerful. —Ref3rence (talk) 16:27, 12 January 2021 (MST)

What do you mean by alternative styles, under the Lee Clan? Sykon (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2021 (MST)

Also, Ketsruygan doesn't have the ability to stay active constantly at higher levels. Every other eye has a way to do so, but Ketsruygan still requires. Sykon (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2021 (MST)

The “alternative options” mentioned are in reference to the fact that you can gain additional hit dice instead of gaining a nature. I left it vague to make room for other options that I plan to add in the future like additional chakra points or movement speed, but it’s going to take me a while to decide on exact numbers for these options between working on my main project and working. Mastered Ketsuryugan was intended to allow for constant activation, but was not updated when we switched from chakra cost to saving throws, sorry about that. —Ref3rence (talk) 16:00, 13 January 2021 (MST)

You answered in an earlier question that you can take Complete-Body-Susanno as an MS ability twice (Through EMS or possibly implantation) in order to get a Susanno similar to Hagoromo's. If so, what would be the stats and buffs of taking CMS multiple times (Especially with something like Dojutsu-Acceptant-Biology + Dojustsu Master)

Doesn't Susanno go through a fleshy skin phase before becoming armored? It also has a humanoid form with legs before it reaches CMS as shown by Sasuke and Madara.

I have added additionally rulings for multiple CBS. As for humanoid susanoo, while it does exist in canon it feels incredibly unrewarding to have to evolve your Susanoo twice. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2021 (MST)

One of my players wants to drown an npc with the hydrafication jutsu by going into their lungs.. How would you go about ruling that? Sykon (talk) 13:44, 15 January 2021 (MST)

I'd probably make it something along the lines of making a Dexterity save against your target's Strength save while you're grappling them as an action. On your success, they begin choking. If they succeed, they can breath again. I might actually make a variant rule around a choke action, so thanks for bringing this up! --Ref3rence (talk) 20:51, 15 January 2021 (MST)

Would 1 Byakugan give you the same line of sight and perception as the average 2? (Same goes for having more than 2)

There is no unique rulings for having more or less than 1 byakugan. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2021 (MST)

Hey, I'm having a little bit of trouble trying to understand what the feat "Mastering the Basics" mean exactly. Could you please clarify the meaning.

I don't mean to sound rude, but I don't see how it could be confused. You gain affinity in Basic Ninjutsu unless you already have affinity in Basic Ninjutsu, in which case you gain affinity in a chakra nature of your choice that you already know. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2021 (MST)

Lariat should be a spell attack roll, not a save in my opinion. Your aim is important in using it. Sykon (talk) 02:04, 17 January 2021 (MST)

I thought about that when making it, but I don't see armor doing much when it comes to blocking a lightning style lariat. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2021 (MST)

So for the Path of the Puppet Master subclass, how exactly do we attack with the puppet? I know we use the action or bonus action to do that. What I mean is do the puppets use the attacks of the creatures they are based on like a Worg puppet’s attack is the same as a regular Worg?

The puppet uses the same attacks as its template creature, so a worg puppet would make its bite attack like you said. --Ref3rence (talk) 16:01, 18 January 2021 (MST)

By the way I have about the Puppets from the Puppet Master subclass. Do the puppets also obtain the abilities from their base creature like pack tactics? I assume that’s a no.

Thanks for catching that, there was no defined rulings but given how powerful pack tactics is there definitely should be (and is now). --Ref3rence (talk) 13:19, 20 January 2021 (MST)

I’m having a bit of trouble trying to fully understand something about the Path of Sealing subclass. When it says I can store nature elements or Jutsus of a nature element. I assume it is talking about the Chakra Nature Jutsus like Lightning and Fire.

I don't blame you for not understanding Nature Sealing Technique fully, as it wasn't written super well. Hopefully this has been fixed. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:19, 20 January 2021 (MST)

A question about the Nara Clan boon. When it says that my character can learn one Shadow Imitation Technique when they learn a new jutsu, what exactly does that mean?

I'll give you an example. A shinobi gains the Nara Clan Boon at 1st level, and picks Earth Style at 2nd level. Instead of gaining Lightweight Boulder immediately, they may choose to gain Shadow Possession Jutsu. At 8th level, instead of gaining Stone Pillar Spears, they may instead gain Shadow Piercing Jutsu. Hope this clears things up. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:18, 27 January 2021 (MST)

How would Pseudo Jinchurikis lose control during initial release and all that? Or is that entirely up to the DM

There's really no canon reason for pseudo-jinchuriki to use any rules not included in the Path of the Beast, though it would probably act as an implanted subclass. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:18, 27 January 2021 (MST)

How would dojutsu implants work with Impure World Reincarnation? (Edo Tensei) Could we just take their dojutsus and theoretically gain an infinite supply of dojutsu as long as we have a sacrifice and know the jutsu?

That's not how that works in canon, I have revised the wording to make this more obvious (and to make it more interesting and canon-compliant). --Ref3rence (talk) 12:18, 27 January 2021 (MST)

I'm having a hard time understanding how Non-Linear Jutsu is supposed to work. Could I get an example?

Absolutely! At 2nd level, Character chooses Water Style, and automatically gains Basic Ninjutsu. They can use both natures' basic jutsu, and chooses exclusively only Water Style jutsu: in this case Super Shark Bomb and Steaming Danger Tyranny (one for each nature they gained). At 3rd level, they choose only Basic Ninjutsu: in this case Rasengan and Giant Rasengan (which count as 1 because they are Basic). At 4th level, they may choose 2 jutsu to learn since it is an even level: in this instance they choose Planetary Rasengan, and Twin Rasengan (which count as 1 jutsu because Basic), and Water Dragon.

Not at all, I don't mind helping. I should really make an account on here. Anyway... Perhaps adding something to the base kit of Shinobis to help combat status ailments like fear and what not would be handy. Assassin is fine as it is, but the level 7 ability can cripple more or less anyone, so a way to fight back against it would be nice.

In Sage Art it mentions multiple uses multiple times, does this mean I can double the range then double the range again for a cost of 2 mins of sage mode?

It specifies that "you may spend multiple uses on multiple effects", so I would dictate that you could double damage and range at a cost of 2 minutes, but you could not double range twice. Might still cut it down to one effect per jutsu, as it's not like Sage Minato's Rasengan is any different from Sage Naruto's or Sage Jiraiya's, but I'd have to give it more thought/discussion first. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2020 (MST)

are clones able to use hidden chakra? it isn't stated if they can or not

Clones can use Hidden Chakra, but it still counts to your overall number of uses. --Ref3rence (talk) 10:06, 6 January 2021 (MST)

Would there be some sort of special rule for having an irregular amount of dojutsu eyes? (Basically more or less than the average 2 eyes)

Having less than 2 Dōjutsu only limits how many Mangekyō abilities you have, and having more than 2 requires the Dōjutsu-Acceptant Biology boon. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2021 (MST)

So it would only affect Sharingan users? Does that mean if I lose 1 out of 2 Rinnegans I would still have the powers and capabilities as someone with 2?

That is correct. --Ref3rence (talk) 06:28, 7 January 2021 (MST)

It says in the Rinnegan Manifestation Boon that you can keep your MS active indefinitely, but it doesn’t say anything about the whole gradual blindness issue in using MS. What would happen to the Rinnegan if you go blind from using MS?

Thanks for catching that, it was a carryover from when MS was a maintainable effect. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2021 (MST)

Question, it says that the gradual blindness will reset to 0 if you gain the Rinnegan Manifestation Boon. Does that mean that you can use MS abilities similar to EMS or does it just resets the gradual blindness? (And blindness overall as seen by Madara gaining his vision back after using Izanagi)

You completely regain your sight when you gain the boon. This does not grant an EMS-like ability to ignore blindness. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2021 (MST)

Let’s say I get the Uzumaki Clan Boon and the Perfected Hashirama Cells Boon, what would be the maximum levels of exhaustion,gradual blindness,deafness,etc?

With both boons, a player would be able to have a total of 24 levels of exhaustion and up to 100 levels of gradual blindness, deafness, and numbness. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2021 (MST)

May I ask where does the “Disorientation” MS ability base off since I couldn’t find anything that’s related to it

I believe the “Disorientation” MS ability was created by one of our fellow editors. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2021 (MST)

I noticed how I didn’t fully clarify my question last time, so Ima just repeat it. What will happen to your Rinnegan (Via Rinnegan Manifestation Boon) if you go blind from using MS while you already have the Rinnegan? Would you be be unable to switch dojutsus or would your eyes go blind overall?

The effects of any form of blindness carry over regardless of which dojutsu you are using, but you would still be able to switch between them and use them. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:06, 1 February 2021 (MST)

In the jutsu requirements for Liger Bomb in the Unique Lightning Jutsu column it says you need “Lightning Cloak” does it mean Lightning Chakra Mode? Cuz I can’t find anything else that relates to it

Sorry I overlooked it

Lightning cloak is the Lightning Style jutsu you unlock at 12th level by default. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:06, 1 February 2021 (MST)

Hey, this has been roaming around my brain for a while and it is about the Puppet Master. If a character is controlling their puppets, are they still able to use jutsu while controlling the puppets or do they have to stop controlling the puppets to use jutsu.

Say is it possible to activate the seals like the explosive seals by throwing them at the enemy or do they have to be placed down on a surface?

Explosive seals can be placed on any surface, including the surface of a weapon. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:17, 4 February 2021 (MST)

How long does Ten-Tails Coffin Seal last? Is it until I stop touching or indefinite?

It lasts until you are disconnected from it. Hopefully the recent revision helps. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:17, 4 February 2021 (MST)

Is it possible to have both Taijutsu and Basic Ninjutsu at the same time? I mean if you choose Basic Ninjutsu at level 2, can you choose Taijutsu at a later point?

Both Taijutsu and Basic Ninjutsu can be taken like any other chakra nature. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:22, 6 February 2021 (MST)

In Hydrification Jutsu, do you have to wait for the 1 minute timer to switch back? Or can you just switch back and forth at will?

As stated in the jutsu, you can "transform into or out of a liquid form at will once per turn" for 1 minute. The last segment of the description is just to keep players from being stuck in liquid form at the end of the jutsu's duration. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:22, 6 February 2021 (MST)

I just realized something about the Puppet Master Subclass. So when you are controlling one puppet and you use your action to control it, could you be able to use that single puppet again in the same turn with a bonus action?

I guess you could, but there's really no reason to. I realized that chakra threads was very vaguely written, hopefully the newest revision makes this more obvious. --Ref3rence (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2021 (MST)

If you get the Baryon Mode Boon and you’re Reibi’s (Zero Tails) jinchuriki would you just get 0 extra hands?

That is correct. --Ref3rence (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2021 (MST)

Can you use Sage Art on Seals?

I don't see why not. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:27, 9 February 2021 (MST)

So I'm guessing that with the update on the chakra threads, I can only have one puppet do an attack if I control my puppets.

So when considering the damage from the seals like Explosive Seals, is the damage magical or non-magical?

Explosive seals deal fire damage, so I guess magical? 5e only differentiates between magical and non-magical when it comes to bludgeoning, slashing, and piercing damage, so any other damage type is effectively magical. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:37, 10 February 2021 (MST)

Hey it says that by activating the Tailed Release while in Initial Release will reset the time limit. What time limit is it talking about exactly? I can't seem to find it in the Path of The Beast.

Thanks for catching that, it's just a hold over from a previous version. I will correct that when I get the chance. --Ref3rence (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2021 (MST)

If I have Path of Permanence and gain affinity in the nature that I had it based on. Does that mean I add my unarmed damage to it's Jutsu twice?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, that is incredibly powerful. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:15, 19 February 2021 (MST)

Yup, you're welcome.

I have another question. About Path of Specialization it says a Jutsu nature of my choice. Does that mean I gain affinity in any nature or Kekkei Genkai? Effectively being able to use it. Or just a nature or a Kekkei Genkai that I know?

The intent is that it is a nature you already know, I will rectify this shortly. --Ref3rence (talk) 10:02, 21 February 2021 (MST)

And also how is Unique Justu acquired?

Unique jutsu can be acquired by 1 of 3 ways: by using the non-linear jutsu rules, by being granted by a DM as a reward, or by certain other features. --Ref3rence (talk) 10:02, 21 February 2021 (MST)

I had noticed that in the Beyond 20th level table that the unarmed damage column had 5d4 at level 23, but the damage was reduced to 4d4 after that. Is the damage after level 23 meant to be 5d4 or is the 5d4 a typo?

The unarmed die was the last thing to do in making the table, but I've been considering reducing it to normal monk progression to keep this class from just being a better monk, and I really don't want to have to fill out 40 entries in a column twice. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:38, 22 February 2021 (MST)

Would C0-C4 need the “Iwagakure Kinjutsu Epic Boon to cast seeing as how Deidara uses nothing but his own clay for it? Especially C0 since he had to unstitch a mouth on his chest that is presumably from the Iwagakure Kinjutsu

I had considered that initially, but since other natures can be transformed from chakra straight into matter I figured that the Iwagakure Kinjutsu simply makes the process easier and less taxing/more effective, rather than being a basic necessity. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:47, 23 February 2021 (MST)

Is it possible to have more than 2 MS abilities without having more eyes? I am thinking of making Itachi and the dude has like a thousand.

I wouldn't way a thousand, he only has 4. At the moment the only way to achieve this is EMS, but I may add a Mangekyou Master boon that allows you to pick an additional 2 MS abilities. Alternatively, I guess I could fanon my way into saying that Itachi's disease somehow allowed him to better use his Mangekyou in order to make it a feat with some drawbacks, but I'll have to think about it. --Ref3rence (talk) 09:47, 23 February 2021 (MST)

Ooooh! Sounds nice! If you need a second opinion in anything, I'd love to help. And you got me curious, so I looked into it. It's actually the other way around. Itachi suffered mentally so much, that he got more mangekyo powers, but because his body couldn't handle it, he fell ill. But it's gonna need some balancing, since EMS exists. Anyway, I'll keep my eyes out in case you want some help. --FrickyDiBoop(Talk) 15:17, 23 February 2021 (MST)

How does the non-linear jutsu math work out? I tried mathing that out a few times, but I can't reach 34... I always reach 33.

I see the issue. It was intended that you gain 19 from the standard 1/level (starting at 2nd) but was written to reduce it to 18 (past 2nd). --Ref3rence (talk) 09:47, 23 February 2021 (MST)