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At one point, the Villains will have basically won- New York will be a occupied territory, S.H.I.E.L.D. and the U.S. Military will be on the run, the President will have been sent to a undisclosed location, countries around the world will be surrendering in fears they will be next, etc. The climax will be the Avengers' last-ditch effort, intended to either save the world or take out Loki trying.

  • Hence why Tony says that while the team might not be able to save the world, they'll be sure to avenge it.
    • Jossed. They win in the end, and even though Nick Fury's higher-ups question how dangerous a team like the Avengers will be, it is not fully explored in the end.

In the film, Thor will arrive via Arc Reactor.

Red Skull is disintegrated when the Cosmic Cube goes category-five apeshit, with a beam of light shooting into the sky when the technology supporting it is destroyed by Cap's shield. The result is a portal into what Thor's movie showed to be the Yggdrasil between Asgard and Jotunheim (or Earth), and it's very heavily implied (almost insultingly so) that the Cosmic Cube is the very same element that Tony Stark discovered to complete the Arc Reactor (which, coincidentally, conveniently explains how his palladium poisoning was cured so fast: funny things, godly toys...). To wrap up, in Iron Man, Stane was KO'd when Pepper blew the reactor, resulting in a beam of light shooting into the sky. With the application of the [Cosmic] Cube element with equipment powerful enough to harness it, we have us a man-made Bifrost Bridge.

    • Except, the novelization of Iron Man 2 states that the element Tony discovered was vibranium. The vibranium itself may have been created with, or contain, [a fraction of] the power (or similar power) of the Cosmic Cube. Also, the Cosmic Cube is an object, while vibranium is an element.
      • The idea of Tony discovering vibranium is further supported in The Avengers when both Tony's internal reactor and Cap's shield are shown to be capable of resisting Asgardian energy.
      • Maybe it was Vibranium and he just pumped it full of arc reactor energy or something like that. Isn't vibranium supposed to be able to absorb ungodly amounts of energy?
    • A/The Arc Reactor may still be responsible for bringing Thor back to Earth. Though destroyed at the end of Iron Man, it could have been rebuilt...and, re-destroyed? How else, other than by being destroyed, could the Arc Reactor create a portal between Midgard (Earth) and Asgard?
    • Though not confirmed to appear in the first movie, Jane Foster could still have completed her research - which would probably lead to finding or creating new paths between Asgard and Earth.
      • Maybe she's kidnapped in the first movie - and that would be something driving Thor. Maybe she will be rescued at the end of the first (in a cameo), or in the second (be part of the cast).
    • As happens in the comics, Asgard (with Thor) could appear in the sky, floating above some place on Earth. That could be a reason people (especially those not discharging weapons) were looking at the sky, in the trailer.
    • Jossed. Thor arrives through a different way. Not entirely sure though as the dialogue wasn't made clear.
    • Loki quickly said that Odin must have conjured enough power or magic to bring Thor to earth.
      • Specifically, he said that Odin must have scrounged hard to find enough "dark energy" to send Thor to Earth.

There will be more than one returning villain in The Avengers, and they'll be teaming up with Loki.

Red Skull didn't get vaporized at all; he was warped to Asgard instead. If the team of heroes is an All-Star Cast, shouldn't the team of villains be, too?

    • To add further credence to this theory: in the first full trailer, around the 0:56 mark, there is a jet shown, which looked quite like the jet the Red Skull built in Captain America: The First Avenger.
      • I'm pretty sure that's the Quinn jet.
      • Jossed, kind of. Skull is out, as are the other villains people went with - the Skrulls, but another alien race is hinted at. Leading to...
    • Jossed. Loki is the only returning villain.

The alien army Loki will have will be the Frost Giants

If one considers extradimensional beings as aliens, Loki's army could be the Jotun: he cons them into thinking Thor and Odin are responsible for the Bifrost Massacre, and convinces them to attack Midgard in revenge. He hates the Jotun as well, but they don't need to know that - I can totally see Loki being the sort of person who wouldn't care which bystanders and nameless pawns die in the conflict - human, Aesir or Jotun - as long as he sees those he hates pay as much as possible and acquires his aims.

  • The Assemble trailer gives a few brief shots of the aliens and they do indeed look very much like frost giants. That would make sense seeing as how the portal that Loki fell into at the end of Thor was connected to Jotunheim. Where they got lasers and space planes however remains a mystery. It's also possible that the army he is referring to is the Kree. Or Red Skull really did survive and now makes a living selling Hydra stuff to the frost giants. (This ties in nicely to my "Red Skull wound up on Jotunheim" Theory actually.)
    • One of the aliens faces is shown in the "Head Count" Tv spot and they are definitely not frost giants. I'm also doubting they are the Kree at this point. Someone in the comments of an earlier trailer made the claim that they were dark elves but thats a youtube comment so it should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.

At some point in the movie, Steve will talk to Tony about Howard.

And he will tell him "[y]ou're a lot like him". Maybe insultingly at first, but the next time will be a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming.

  • Jossed Fury does mention Howard to Steve, and Tony discusses Howard to Banner after not being impressed by Steve, but Steve and Tony don't talk about it amongst themselves.

Black Widow and Hawkeye will have a romantic subplot in this movie.

They had a relationship in the comics, albeit one that ended very badly, and they're the two Avengers we know the least about. It stands to reason they'll have a good storyline of their own.

    • All the other characters already have love interests, so that seems very likely.
      • Except, Cap missed his date with his love interest When he went to sleep, about seventy years ago. Of course, there is also Maria Hill. Or, maybe, Cap chooses to remain... Single.
      • Cap has Sharon Carter, who appeared at the end of his movie, though she may hold off appearing in order to show up in the Captain America sequel. Anyways, this WMG is pretty much confirmed by Word of God, sort of. According to the actors, Hawkeye and Widow had a prior relationship that Hawkeye "clings to."
    • Beautifully Jossed by Scarlett Johannson herself -- "There's no time for romance, we have shit to Avenge."

Someone very important will die in an absolutely heartwrenching way

Joss Whedon is directing. Try not to get too attached to anyone.

    • My money's on Coulson.
      • I'm skeptical. In interviews, Marvel Studios has mentioned potential interest in a spinoff TV show starring him. He's the "logical" candidate, from a Whedon writing philosophy perspective, but I'm dubious of Marvel actually approving such.
      • Jossed on Coulson, his actor confirmed he would make it out of this one. On the other hand, Hawkeye seems to have a patent on getting killed...
      • I don't think even Whedon would be heartless enough to kill a major superhero in his very first film. Even if he is, I feel that Marvel wouldn't be cool with it.
    • Some leaked set-pictures and -videos seemed to show Cap looking hurt, while fighting alongside Thor, possibly in a scene seen in the trailer. Well, it was a video taken of them shooting a scene, so there were no effects (as in blood and stuff). {{[http|//www.slashfilm.com/watch-thor-captain-america-fight-the-avengers-set/ Here}} and here.]
    • I'm going to bet and say that it's going to be Loki in a case of Redemption Equals Death.
      • I doubt it. It may seem that way, but as comic!Loki said, "After all, the first thing a sorcerer of quality learns is to make himself as difficult to kill as possible."
    • Confirmed Coulson, in an attempt to stall Loki from flinging Thor out of the Hellicarier, is stabbed to death by Loki. Everyone is saddened by the loss, even Tony, who at first berates Coulson for being an idiot, but later shows that he too was sorry.
      • Actually, Jossed. Word of God is he lives.
      • Yeah, well, that wouldn't be the first time Joss Whedon has lied.
        • Maybe it was Nick Fury that lied. He did lie about the cards being in Coulson's pocket, why not lie about Coulson's death too? We don't actually see the Medics declare his death; we only hear about it from Fury. We also never see a scene portraying his funeral.

The Avengers will go on an epic bender

Stark is a connoisseur of spirits and near-alcoholic. Thor is a Boisterous Bruiser given to the celebratory tub of meed. Widow is Russian. Cap doesn't get drunk. I mean, come on!

    • What about The Hulk? When his pulse rises, no one is likely to like him. Of course, he could be the designated driver.
      • Technically, that should be Cap, but maybe he still gets a high blood-alcohol level despite never getting drunk.
    • They definitely should! And maybe do something stupid, too?
    • "Whoa, whoa Hulk-- whiskey's probably not the best thing for you. You know, I bet that temper of yours would qualify for medical marijuana..."
    • I am trying to imagine Bruce and Steve as the straight men to the entire rest of the team.
  • Jossed. There is an after-party of sorts in The Stinger, but it's the Avengers sitting in a partially ruined cafe eating shawarma. It's hilariously awkward.

Steve has a problem with Tony because of Replacement Scrappy issues

  • Steve's just woken up after being good friends with Howard Stark who's slightly off, but still a good and loyal friend, only to find that his son is just similar enough to evoke painful memories while being this insensitive arrogant brat. Naturally it will take a while for Steve to warm up to Tony and see him as more than a flawed version of his old friend!
    • Jossed. Steve has other issues at first for working with Tony. Howard isn't even brought up in their arguments.
    • Actually, it's entirely possible that this was true, if internalized. Steve really doesn't like Tony at first, and Tony has a bit of a sibling rivalry complex with Steve--his dad had such respect and affection for this man, yet didn't show any towards Tony.

Joss Whedon is going to Troll the audience

Every Genre Savvy viewer is well-aware of Joss's love for killing off one of the main character, especially in Film franchises. And Joss is well-aware that most viewers are aware of this, so he's going to screw with the audience and have someone killed off before the mid-way point...only for it turn out to be Disney Death. Then he's going to "kill off" someone who can't die, because they'll be future movies, but then it will look like they really are dead... only for them to turn up in a Big Damn Heroes moment.

Loki is going to go all I Have You Now, My Pretty on Black Widow

He definitely seems to eye bang her in the trailer which I can not blame him for in the slightest but this troper saw a video on set of Johansson wearing what looks like a bright red bed robe. Given who we are talking about this is probably going to end very poorly for him. And it might also give us some nice Fan Service.

  • Jossed. Loki merely is impressed by Widow's stealth, but Loki does prey on her emotions.

Cap will be the one who gets to shout "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!" in the film's climax.

In the comics, whenever that iconic phrased is uttered, it's usually Cap who says it to rally his fellow Avengers against whatever threat they're facing. And given the nature of the threat they're facing, just imagine how freaking amazing it would be to see the Avengers, believed to be beaten and on their last rungs, suddenly rallying together when Captain frigging America shouts out "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!", thus leading to an-all out epic finale to the movie. I can see many fans rejoicing in the theatres with that one scene.

  • Jossed. The line is not mentioned at all.

Cap and Thor will clash over how to handle Loki

Cap wants to stop him, Thor wants to protect him. Possibly Cap will come around to Thor's side, as he once had a surrogate brother (Bucky) who he had lost.

  • Then Tony will build an inter-planetary/dimensional communication device, they phone Odin and Loki get's grounded. The rest of the movie is the Avengers hanging out in the break room.
    • Which will be then followed by the Avengers having to fight the Hulk, who gets angry after some minor incident (involving Tony?), which then becomes a full blown fight.

Thor vs. Steve happens because...

  • A classic superhero misunderstanding on the part of Cap, who's tasked with dealing with the supposed threat by Nick Fury.
  • If Skrulls are indeed involved, the scene possibly involves either Cap or Thor being a Skrull, thus the fight.
  • In the comics, Loki is known for his mind manipulation, and the situation in the forest could be our favorite Magnificent Bastard Norse God of Lies doing his usual thing in tricking Cap that Thor's an enemy to be taken down.
    • Jossed. According to the movie tie-in storybook Thor frees Loki from Cap and Iron Man's custody, so Iron Man goes to confront Thor and have a huge fight that ends when Cap steps in.

The scene between Loki and Tony will be actually be a Heartwarming Moment

  • Just a guess, but we don't know whether Iron Man is part of the Avengers at this point. This may be the point where Tony unofficially states he's one of the Avengers, while staring down Loki!

One or more of the following CMOH will show up

  • Mr. Stark and Captain Rogers referring to each other as 'Steve' and 'Tony' for the first time.
  • Someone making arrangements for Steve to go to England to be reunited with Peggy.
    • That depends if they managed to get Hayley Atwell to reprise her role in a surprise cameo. Or, if need be, they can simply imply that Steve goes to meet Peggy at the end. (With the second option, you can easily do the "full" version of the scene in Captain America 2 for those that want closure.)
      • Or Steve goes to England to visit Peggy at the beginning of the movie, having put it off since waking up, only to find that she has died shortly before arrival.
        • Not quite heartwarming.
        • One of the tie-in books reveal that Peggy is still alive and well, though.
  • Thor helping Cap up, accepting the mortal as an equal and worthy warrior at last.
    • We've already seen a snippet of that in the Super Bowl ad, so we're just awaiting full context of that scene.
  • Loki's Heel Realization.
    • Nope, he fakes it so he can stab Thor.

The giant dragon thing at the end of the latest trailer is...

  • Fin Fang Foom?
  • Midgardian Serpent, given that it's Loki heading up the attack...
  • The enemy invaders' warship/weapon of mass destruction.
    • Confirmed
  • Fin Fang Foom is its name and it's also the Midgardian Serpent and its involvement means a Ragnarok plot for Thor 2.
  • A lost Decepticon from the Transformers movies.
  • Serpenterra! It was even defeated by Iron Man in the same way!

Part of why this movie was made is to create a universe for all future Marvel Studios movies.

Because why not?

  • Pretty sure that was the first Iron Man's job.
    • Iron Man 1 started it, and The Avengers will expand upon it even more.

The Hulk is friends with Tony because of how he treats Bruce Banner

  • After getting "forcibly recruited" by S.H.I.E.L.D., Bruce probably got treated as a cross between a ticking time bomb and a potential experiment, so Tony (for all of his teasing) was probably the first person to treat him like a human being. Hence the reason why the Hulk saves Iron Man's life in the trailer.
    • Between the poking and the mocking over turning into a green rage monster, I don't see where treating him like a human being comes from.
      • Perhaps that ends up being character development for Tony, as he learns to treat Banner with more dignity. Either that, or he's just being playful with him. You know how Tony is...
        • Yeah, he's a dick. If anything, Steve seems to treat Banner better, shaking hands with him and rebuking Stark's antics. Could be that Hulk is saving Tony because it's what Cap would want, thereby teaching Tony to get his head out of his ass.
          • In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, there's one episode where we see Cap telling the Hulk that he is indeed a hero, so maybe we'll have something to that effect in the movie, which leads to that scene Hulk saving Iron Man?
  • Confirmed Tony well respects Bruce for his scientific breakthroughs, and even helps in the development of Banner for accepting that the Hulk is a part of him, much like how he and his Arc Reactor chest piece are one.

Loki was under the influence of the Tesseract

  • He uses his glow stick of destiny to control Selvig and Clint through it. In both cases this control is broken by head injuries and unconsciousness.
  • Hulk beats him like a rag doll giving him a head injury and possibly knocking him out (?)
  • Afterwards the dark circles under his eyes go away, he seems less completely insane, and comes quietly without insulting anyone.
    • Except the bags under Lok's eyes are a completely different effect then what happens when somebody is mind-controlled and he doesn't seem any different then he was before for his whopping one line after his beating. Also if he was under mind control why would the Other let him talk back to him? Why would the Other even feel the need to threaten him at all? A more likely reason for him going quietly is that he's facing down the entire Avengers team while he's injured, stripped of his weapon and has no way to escape and now that his plan has failed he knows Thanos will be coming after him. It's probably safer to be imprisoned in Asgard then alone on the run.
    • Not necessarily... I personally think that it wasn't really mind control that he was under. Remember when the Avengers were all arguing and it was implied that the staff had some hand in their argument? It's my suspicion that just being around it can perhaps intensify negative emotions. If that is so, then think of what it would have done to Loki. He has some major negative emotions going on towards just about everything and carrying that staff with the stone in it around all the time would probably have a huge effect on him. It would explain the rather out of character-ness he had in the movie.
      • How in the world was he out of character? He's less sympathetic but I didn't see anything out of character. And Loki is much more in control of himself in Avengers then he was at the end of Thor when his emotions were out of control which contradicts your theory.
      • The thing to remember about Loki and why he's a little more vicious in Avengers than in Thor is because 1. The Other makes it very clear good things are not in his future if he fails and 2. In Thor, he's on Asgard, with people he considers equals, and in Avengers he's on Earth, with people he views as far, far beneath him. In his own words, "An ant has no quarrel with a boot." Plus, sympathetic or no, he tried to kill a whole planet in Thor. So, yeah ... everything in Avengers made sense for Loki's character.

Black Panther will appear in the Captain America Sequel , and Doctor Strange will appear in the Thor sequel to set up appearances in Avengers 2

Stan ' the man' Lee would love those 2 in the sequel. And we know how good Marvel films are in seamlessly introducing characters even in cameos. Of course Black Panther would have a Ultimate like version with claws and Doctor Strange would have to be played by Johnny Depp.

  • No. Please no. Get someone else. Depp is permanently stuck in the role of Jack Sparrow.
    • Oded Fehr as Dr Strange. Isaiah Mustafa as Black Panther. Deal sealed.


Robin Sherbatsky is Maria Hill's civilian alias

  • Barney, Marshall and Lily appear in the epilogue, in a blink and you'll miss it scene, on one of the news broadcasts. This is the only justification for this idea.

Tony Stark is preparing to finance the Avengers outside of SHIELD.

  • Why do you think he and Pepper are doing a redesign of Stark Tower- not just a rebuilding of it- at the end of the film. Also note that they don't seem to be in a hurry to put the S, T, R and K on the tower...

Loki took on the Hulk out of hubris.

  • Thor's "falling death trap" escape made Loki think that he truly was immortal and perhaps impervious. So why not threaten the most powerful member and prove yourself worthy? Alas, the trickster god is Genre Blind to his own schemes...
    • And/or because Loki was at the end of his rope: injured, tired, disarmed, and psychologically stressed by his plan starting to unravel. He probably didn't have the energy left to do much other than monologue.

The Avengers Initiative and SHIELD are a part of UNIT.

  • That helicarrier that they use looks quite similar to the Valiant from the Whoniverse. So who's to say that it's not actually from the same universe? After all, both SHIELD and UNIT get involved in protecting the Earth from extraterrestrial threats. I bet they're part of the same organisation.
    • Wait, SHIELD (first appearance: 1965) and the Helicarrier (again, 1965) both predate UNIT, so wouldn't it be the other way around?
      • And in setting, SHIELD's predecessor, the SSR, dates back to 1941. . .

The Avengers movie has, and the following movies will have, a subtle theme of the Infinity Gems

  • In the Avengers, Loki's Staff/spear is obviously used to mess with and control minds. It also glows blue... the same color as the Mind Gem of the Infinity Gems. This is intentional, and the future movies will have subtle influences of themes such as Time, Reality, Space, Souls &/or Power. This will all be done subtly, but set up for a moment when Thanos is revealed to have been subtly messing with the heroes via the gems before he got the Infinity Gauntlet.
    • Except we see the Infinity Gauntlet with all the gems inside Odin's treasure room in Thor. Plus Loki's staff is stated to be powered by the Tesseract.
      • Were those the true gems? Maybe like some artifacts placed in a museum, the Asgardians just put fake gems in the gauntlet for display purposes. And about the staff, it is speculated to use the same type of energy used by the Tesseract, not necessarily powered by the Tesseract itself. Captain America says it's like one of Hydra's energy weapons more than anything.
        • Except they weren't in a display, they were in a weapons vault guarded by the Destroyer and the other artifacts in there are real. And Selvig says the control rod is powered by the Tesseract to the Black Widow. And Hydra's weapons were powered by the Tesseract.
    • I'm working on the theory the other things in the trophy room were more just 'fandom nods' than 'it's true continuity'. Even if so, if you compare the comic-con Marvel prop images of the Gauntlet to the movie version .... a large blue gem on the back of the palm is missing.
        • Except that's not the version actually in the movie, the version in Thor has the big blue gem in it [dead link] .
        • To my knowledge, there has been no specific indication of how much time has passed between Thor and The Avengers. But clearly, some time has passed. In the meantime, the Gauntlet has been sitting in Odin's vault, a vault that has recently been robbed of its primary guardian after Thor trashed the Destroyer. And the guy who would want the Gauntlet happens to have as his minion, a trickster god who knows several back doors into Asgard that could get him in and out without being noticed. Keep in mind, we have no idea what is going on in Asgard after Thor's movie ends. There's a very good chance that something happened in the meantime.

Tony Stark is The Heart of The Avengers team. (Well, A Heart.)

  • It's not immediately obvious, since at first Tony displays few of The Heart's sterling qualities: he's aggressively arrogant with almost everyone he meets here, he rushes in headfirst and brushes off early attempts at battle planning and teamwork, and half his teammates don't like him (Steve, Thor) or find him exasperating (Natasha, Fury, Coulson).
    • But Tony's also the most insistent that SHIELD be honest with its intentions, that advanced technology should not be made into weapons, and that the Avengers are not soldiers or weapons to be deployed blindly at government will.
    • He's the first person to genuinely reach out to Bruce Banner with empathy and respect, encouraging him to accept his "condition" as a gift that can help people. Tony's the only person who believes Bruce will join them for the final battle, and Bruce does show up, with the implication that The Power of Friendship from Tony helped inspire him.
    • Finally, the climax of the final battle is Tony's apparent death by Heroic Sacrifice, with the focus on the team's reaction to his loss.
    • Tony's role as The Heart is complicated: Tony's breaking the team apart more often than bringing it together like a proper Heart, and he shares the role with Coulson as the Sacrificial Lion and Steve, who as The Good Captain is always the moral center of the Avengers. But while The Hero Steve keeps the team together, The Lancer Tony made sure the team was worth forming in the first place.

There's something going on with Nick Fury's left eye.

== The Other is actually The Red Skull ==.

  • Ok. At the end of The First Avenger, Skull is burnt alive by the Tesseract and undergoes what looks a lot like a Bifrost transport. The Avengers establishes that the Tesseract can open a portal to the far reaches of space. The theory is that Skull is transported to wherever Thanos and the Chitauri hail from, whereupon Thanos takes him on as a servant. The Other's physical dissimilarities to Skull can be explained however one likes- genetic alteration, damage from the Tesseract itself or the transportion process. His age (and continued survival after seventy years) can be explained by Erskin's serum, which was explictly mentioned to provide Cap's cells with a protective layer of healing (hence why he can't get drunk).
    • Isn't that an awful lots of arbitrary 'could be explained by'? I think its much more likely that The Other is a true Chitauri. The soldiers were bio-androids, or perhaps cyber-zombies; weapons, IOW, rather than people.
    • If the Other were the Red Skull, then he shouldn't have been as unfamiliar with humanity as he was before the invasion. Lines like "Humans... they are not the cowering wretches we were promised" point to him not being human, and thus being unfamiliar with them.

Tony knows Coulson is not dead

  • Tony seems to have a revelation when looking at the bloodstain Coulson left on the wall right before he starts on his rant about Loki's ego being similar to his own. Maybe he was beginning to suspect that Fury was lying about Coulson's death. Additionally during his talk with Loki, Tony uses present tense to refer to Coulson (eg. "His name *is* Phil", not "His name *was* Phil"). Now this could just be nothing but still, it's odd. He was also one of the first people to suspect Fury was lying about what they were doing with the Tesseract.

Tony's comment with Bruce means most, if not all, of the 2003 Hulk movie is canon within the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Tony mentions how Bruce miraculously survives his exposure to gamma radiation that results in the Hulk. In the 2003 film, his father experimented on himself, and it passed onto Bruce which lay the seeds for the Hulk.

  • Unnecessary. The rebooted origin also had him surviving gamma exposure.
    • Actually, the 2003 film connects nicely to the rest of the movies. The first one tells what happened before banner started hiding in remote countries, and the next movie connects to the first one and the actual Avengers movie by starting out in a remote country, and showing how Bruce gained control. the fact that the first two movies have two different actors portraying banner is irrelevant considering he was replaced again for the Avengers.
      • The 2008 film is said to be a spiritual sequel to the 2003 one, referencing the fact by starting Banner off in a south american country. The intro to the 2008 film shows that the Hulk's origin is similar to the one in the TV show, the exposure to the gamma radiation was deliberate. And it was said in the 2008 film that Banner was attempting to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum, and was sure Gamma radiation was the answer, it's possible he used an experimental serum before the exposure that allowed him to survive, with the Hulk as an unfortunate side effect.

Loki's non-SHIELD minions are AIM

  • When Selvig asks Barton where the mooks came from, Barton mentions that SHIELD has plenty of enemies. In the comics 'verse, this is usually HYDRA or AIM, and since HYDRA was dismantled during WW 2...
    • Presuming, of course, that remnants of HYDRA didn't survive and continue to be a pain for the SSR and its successor, SHIELD.

Maria Hill will become the new Coulson.

With Coulson dead, Hill will take on a similar role, making appearances in other MCU films to provide a sense of continuity.

The old man that stands up to Loki in Germany and is narrowly saved by Captain America is a Holocaust survivor.

It would explain why he was so defiant to him in the first place; he's already spent a very tumultuous period in his life being forced to kneel to people that despise him; he's not going to take this shit from anyone 'ever again'''''. He's even says, "There are always men like you." Cap goes into a bit more of a Nazi analogy immediately afterward, which I think gives this a bit more credence.

The waitress who's grateful for Captain America saving her will become a side character for Cap, and may even appear in Captain America 2.

Yes, there's deleted scenes from the movie that show said waitress was flirtatious towards Cap, and I'm going to assume that she'll be a romantic foil or a supporting character for Steve, to go along with Sharon Carter being his SHIELD partner. Or something.

    • As I recall her name tag said Beth on it. Are there any continuity savants around to tell us whether or not there were any Cap supporting characters with that name? I can't find any in the MCD. The movie focused on her three times which makes me think this WMG has some substance to it.
    • The only close one from the comics I can think of is Elizabeth "Betsy" Ross, and she was around in WW 2 not modern era. (IIRC some retcon places her as grandma of Hulk's GF Betty Ross). But of course the movies have combined characters before (Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo & I'd say movie Red Skull is a combo of RS & Zemo. So it could be Betsy combined with some modern love interest of Cap)
  • Greek and Middle Eastern restaurants will attract many more customers. Panda Express will petition to have fried rice mentioned in the Avengers 2 movie.

Cpt. Rogers is rich in this film.

He was on active duty when he went under. Odds are, he's owed seventy years of back pay. Add in pay from SHIELD, inheritance (really, what are the odds that his parents are still alive?) and interest on savings from the 40s, and at the very least Steve's living comfortably. He's not Tony-level rich, but he's definitely got a good deal of money.

    • He's also Airborne-qualified, so mo' money. Though his parents were dead before he joined the Army.
    • And I presume that Steve's parents were struggling to make ends meet. In other words, they're not quite poor, but they're certainly not rich enough to have large sums of money for inheritance.
      • One of the early scenes in the Captain America film mentions that both of his parents had already died.

Natasha and Barton were released from active SHIELD duty after the end of the film

In order to protect them from any repercussions following Loki's defeat in New York. Since certain powerful people, including Fury's bosses on the National Security Council and at least one senator don't trust the Avengers and want them to be held responsible for the damage New York City suffered, Fury had them released from active duty so he wouldn't be forced into a position where he-or more likely his bosses on the council-might be able to "punish them". This also explains why Fury apparently doesn't know where two of his best operatives have disappeared to at the end of the film, and why Natasha and Barton drove off after Thor takes Loki back to Asgard. He and Hill even speak of them with the rest of the Avengers at the end as though they're not going to be returning to the helicarrier anytime soon. It's PRETTY clear they're both rather a cut above SHIELD personnel to begin with and will probably be able to do more good as freelance agents than by being bound by SHIELD in the future. Barton may not actually WANT to be part of SHIELD because of the agents he killed while under Loki's control, though no one seems to hold it against him. This might also make things easier if a Hawkeye or Black Widow movie were to be greenlighted.

  • Unlikely. The current word on Captain America 2 is that Cap will be working with SHIELD. Its unlikely that he would still be working with them, yet two actual SHIELD agents wouldn't.
  • Seeing as how they are government agents and they caused almost no property damage (as compared to say... the Hulk) they probably wouldn't get into too much trouble. Not unless the Senator wants to hold the Police Officers and National Guard personnel who were present for the battle responsible as well. If he doesn't then fury can just say "What makes Hawkeye and widow any more responsible for the plasma damage to the city?" This would probably cover Captain America's ass too seeing as how he's Captain Goddamn America and if you try and hold him responsible for what alien invaders did then you hate freedom. It should also be noted that the Car that Black Widow and Hawkeye left in had a S.H.I.E.L.D insignia on the door.

The US government will turn to studying Chitauri tech now that the tesseract has been returned to Asgard

Though the tesseract is out of humanity's reach, they still have the corpses of all these biomechanical alien monsters littering New York. Fury didn't appear opposed to the idea of the Phase Two weaponry either, so it's entirely possible that with the tesseract gone, the US will turn to trying to reverse-engineer new technology from the remains of Loki's Chitauri warriors in its place.

You-Know-Who is not dead and will return.

Plain and simple. No Vision, no LMD; He's either in a coma, or simply being ordered to remain underground for an indeterminate amount of time.

    • The powers that be would be incredibly remiss to ignore the shitstorm of massive proportions that has erupted from the whole affair and not do something to fix it.
    • It seems this is true. Clark Gregg is signed on for more films.
    • Additional WMG: To tie the new Spider-Man film into this continuity, he'll appear as the principal of Peter Parker's school, just like he does on Ultimate Spider-Man. Fwip fwip.

Black Widow is going to get a spiffy new pair of laser bracelets in her next (Chronological) appearance.

  • They are going to be reverse engineered Chitauri laser muskets mounted onto her braclets to give her some more oomph in future films. It might not be in her movie seeing as how there has been talk of an origin prequel but maybe in something else. Like Iron Man 3 or the Avengers 2.

Loki's alien backers never intended to support his rule of Earth.

  • This explains why it was so easy to defeat the Chitauri army just by bombing the small Chitauri base which was just outside the bridge from Earth. All Thanos was interested in was the Tesseract. It's entirely possible that once Loki delivered it to him, the Chitauri army would be automatically shut down and Loki would be free to try to rule Earth on his own. After all, what's one primitive world to the Mad Titan?

Loki let himself be captured again in the end.

It looks like he chose to stay down when the Hulk smacked him down. But then the Hulk left....He could have at least turned invisible. But he had just failed Thanos. The Other did say there was no place he could hide. Well, the safest place would be in an Asgard Prison.

  • I think Loki not moving after the Hulk beat the tar out of him really had more to do with the fact that the Hulk just beat the tar out of him. He also seemed surprised when he saw the team was behind him, so he probably thought that he had more time before he got there.
    • In the end he probably did surrender with that in mind, choosing the lesser of two evils.

The Tesseract is Reaper technology.

  • Its teleportation effect, like that of the Bifrost Gate, is very similar to that of a mass relay. The bio-synthetic Chitauri are using their conquest of Earth as a smokescreen for the real reason they want the Tesseract: they are the Cinematic Universe's version of Collectors, and intend to open the way for the Reaper fleet.
  • Additionally, Loki is indeed controlling people's minds through the technology given him, but not in the manner he suspects: everyone touched by the spear is Indoctrinated, and only following him because it coincides with the Reapers' plans (to paraphrase some lines in the film: "The Tesseract... showed me things; I have clarity now"). Also, note how their eyes turn electric blue, and briefly acquire glowing facial scars: they are in the initial stages of being transformed into a.) Husks, or b.) Reaper emissaries, such as Saren and the Illusive Man.
    • This WMG certainly makes the "Space Magic!" meme funnier.

The Stinger at the end of Avengers sets up the Deadpool movie.

I mean c'mon, some people do know that Deadpool and Death have a thing. And the only who stands between them is Thanos . It could turn out that Deadpool was cursed with immortality, and we get to see Death on screen.

The Tesseract originally belonged to Thanos

That's why he knows about it and wants to back. Thousands of years ago, he and the forces of Asgard fought, the Asguardians regarding Thanos as an upstart who thought himself a god. During the battle, Thanos lost the Cube to Odin, who after keeping it for a time, left it on Earth or lost it in the battle with the frost giants. What's really dangerous is that Thanos is the only one who knows the Cube's true power of Reality Warping. If he gets it back he could wish half the universe dead. The gemstone that he gives to Loki was an attempt to replicate the cube's power.

Deadpool exists in the same universe as Avengers.

If his movie will come out before any other, and if Thanos will make an appearence.

The entire invasion was a massive Xanatos Gambit for Loki and Thanos.

The full theory is spelled out here, but the short version is basically this: while Loki may (or may not) have wanted control of the Earth as revenge against Thor, the whole thing was basically a means for Thanos to get Loki back into Asgard under reasonable pretenses so that Laufreyson could somehow deliver the Infinity Gauntlet.

  • I had a similar thought. Considering how risky the invasion plan was to begin with (YMMV on that, but see the Headscratchers page for a long, long discussion of its flaws), Unless Loki got dumber between movies, he was probably aware all along that his plan could easily fail and even if it succeeded he'd just be a vassal to a Bigger Bad that was strong and getting even stronger. But directly due to Loki's attack in this movie, a confrontation between Thanos and the Avengers is likely. If the Avengers win, then the force that traumatized Loki in unspecified ways between movies has been punished and there's a cosmic Evil Power Vacuum he can step into. If Thanos wins, Earth is really, really doomed, so Loki would have Revenge by Proxy on Thor for the events of Thor. Either way, Loki arguably winds up better off than if his invasion had won.

The Other is a Time Lord

This can't be a WMG page without saying that someone is a Time Lord and there's a character called The Other in Doctor Who.

  • He's on his last regeneration so his appearance is unattractive (like Crispy!Master).

Coulson is still alive and now has an Arc Reactor in his chest.

Nick Fury was once known as Jules Winnfield

  • Who better to run a law-enforcement agency than a badass ex-gangster who has dedicated his life to protecting others? In the interim he shaved his head and lost an eye somehow.
  • For his new identity he borrowed the name of a legendary WWII commando.
  • This also suggests that the Tesseract was the shiny thing in the briefcase.
    • However, that was gold-colored, unlike the Tesseract.

The Avengers was at least partially a deconstruction of Watchmen, particularly the film version.

  • Yes, a deconstruction of a deconstruction. Does that make it a reconstruction? I have no idea. But besides the issues of the theatrical posters being nigh-identical, there's also Loki's lip service to the idea of essentially frightening the world into peace by making all of humanity worship him (the film version of Watchmen ends with the world being terrified into peace out of fear from retribution from Dr. Manhattan). He may have been intended as a dismantling of the more noble, Necessarily Evil archetype presented by Ozymandias- the kind of person who'd think peace bought through fear is worthwhile very likely would be more like Loki than like Ozymandias, crazed and dangerous rather than analytical and basically willing to break his own moral code for what he sees as a genuine greater good. However, the ending also criticizes actually thinking like Ozymandias, which is what the Council does in their decision to nuke New York because it might stop the Chitauri (just like Ozymandias was willing to psychic-bomb New York in the original graphic novel and essentially nuke 15 major world cities in the film because it might have prevented WWIII).
    • This is awesome. The parallels are definitely there, whether they're intentional or not.

Guardians of the Galaxy Is Actually The Avengers Playing A Tabletop Roleplaying Game

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