Would a river running through a large salt deposit turn red?

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I’ve heard that bodies of water boasting high salinities tend to turn red due to seasonal algae blooms. I have a river in a fantasy setting I’m working on that’s blood red year-round, and I want to kind of subtly hint to the readers that this is the actual reason the river is red, rather than the local juju and other superstitions (because medieval folk probably wouldn’t understand the idea of microscopic organisms turning the water into blood).

However I’m not too familiar with the details of these blooms or what environmental factors can permanently cause a river to become highly saturated with salt. My immediate, most brute-force caveman idea was to have the waterfall that feeds into this river cut through what amounts to a hill or a small mountain of salt, giving it the nickname “Leech’s Knee” (with the angular waterfall being a bent knee and the red water below being the blood flowing from it after one has plucked or salted a leech). I don’t know if this would actually work however, or if there is a more elegant solution.

Can anyone lend me a hand?

Z.Schroeder

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4I haven't heard of salt being a cause for red algae blooms. We'd have a red ocean if that were the case. Iron, phosphorus, nitrogen--yes. – Cradle2theGabe – 2017-10-03T22:15:35.053

4One way of achieving red water year round is to run it over iron rich rocks. – Bellerophon – 2017-10-03T22:15:47.017

2It might be easier to explain redness in a river due to iron in the area making for rusty red coloring. Large algae blooms require the water to be pretty warm and generally will not reach very high levels in a moving river. I'm not even sure how much salt factors into it but generally for algae blooms in fresh water, they are generated by humans due to artificial fertilizer getting into the waters. – A. C. A. C. – 2017-10-03T22:15:55.463

Erythrocytes, Eritrea, and the Red Sea are all related. Look into why the red sea is red, if you have not yet. I would have thought iron. – DPT – 2017-10-03T22:52:41.693

1@Cradle2theGabe red oceans are a thing - check out red tides (not to be confused with Crimson Tides, which are caused by Gene Hackman) – Matt Bowyer – 2017-10-04T11:49:18.260

@A.C.A.C. : The red blooms could grow in a shallow lake upstream. and be carried from there. But you need to choose - that lake would allow sediments to settle, so you wouldn't have a red color downriver from eroded rust particles. – MSalters – 2017-10-04T11:53:05.620

Salt is definitely not the way to go: The amounts of salt that you need to bring water to sea-water salinity (3%-5%, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity) are humongous. You'd need to dissolve 30 to 50 kg of salt for every cubic meter of water running down your river. The cute little river that runs through my city discharges more than 5m^3/s, so to get it to sea salinity, you'd need more than 5 million metric tons of salt per year. At that rate, it's hard to imagine a deposit so vast that it would last on the order of geological times.

– cmaster - reinstate monica – 2017-10-04T12:06:25.153

possibly because the salt in its hydrated form is red. – Suhrid Mulay – 2017-10-04T13:05:39.773

1@MattBowyer Oh yeah. Makes sense. Kind of like how Sam Neill causes Red Octobers? – Cradle2theGabe – 2017-10-04T21:54:34.060

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Reasons for red colouration could be due to:

Erosion Massive amounts of soil being deposited into a body of water through erosion can change its colour to red if the soil is this hue. But, for this to occur, large amounts of rain are usually necessary.

Increased salinity or decreased oxygen A salt-loving algae called Dunaliella Salina, which produces a red pigment that absorbs and uses the energy of the sun in order to create more energy, can cause a red tide. This can happen if the salt level of a lake increases, killing the creatures such as brine shrimps that normally feed off of the algae. Lack of oxygen can have a similar effect.

Pollution Discharge of industrial pollutants such as dyes and chemicals can also cause dramatic colour changes.

If you want to use salt as the mechanism you just need a salt lake high up in the mountains. Perhaps the climate has changed and what was a dry salt lake has become a real salt lake that now overflows and contaminates rivers downstream causing them to turn red.

Erosion would be easy – just have some red soil upstream.

Pollution is also easy - red dye plant upstream.

Deoxygenation is a little harder but if large amounts of rotting material are regularly washed into the river and get stuck at a choke point marsh or lake, bacteria in the water would rapidly consume all of the oxygen in the water leaving it deoxygenated and dead. If some organic material flowed with the stream and there were no waterfalls or turbulence, this state could continue for many miles downstream.

I think it happens from time to time in the Yangtze River:

Yangtze river

Slarty

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4Lakes high up mountains tend to not be very salty. Lakes become salty because rivers flush out small amounts of salt and transport it into the lake where the water evaporates but the salt stays. If you continue that for a long time the lake eventually becomes salty. Lakes high up usually can't do that because they don't have an even higher river supplying them with salt. – nwp – 2017-10-04T13:19:12.433

Yes, but many red tides are toxic for humans as well (at minimum indirectly), which may not be helpful if it's present year-round.... – Clockwork-Muse – 2017-10-04T16:27:24.470

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Can you change the output of your star so that anthocyanins are more useful than chlorophyll? This would be an interesting way to get to more red algae.

If you built the world off of anthocyanin, instead of chlorophyll, you would have a lot of purple plants (you can throw in a few green ones too.) The algae could be predominantly red.

The single change that would cause this, then, was the original endosymbiotic event that allowed photosynthetic eukaryotes to evolve.

Then a red river is a simple matter of nutrient (N, P, K) run off, just as our rivers with lots of runoff are usually green and slimy.

p.s. as I read your post I kept thinking about red snow I have seen. In case it is useful, I included the link.

DPT

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Around our coastal areas we have this problem often.

https://www.ipma.pt/en/pescas/bivalves/

The meteorological institute keeps a close watch for this. But it's seasonal, not all the time.

It has been know to happen in rivers as well but the causes were different.

In some cases they were due to three factors coming together and wouldn't have happened otherwise. It started by agricultural fields along the river banks being over-fertilized, this raised the concentration of nitrogen, proteins and other chemicals in the water, then as temperatures increased the algae appeared.

Maybe your farmers are using too much manure?

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There's also the option of a volcano being nearby. The volcano would continously exude to the outside thermal waters (above or underground) that would carry along various ionic compounds (salts) of sulfur and iron, which turn the water to a color similar to iron oxide.

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