Horses went extinct, people domesticated something else. - What is it and what would change?

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Assuming that horses went extinct early in history, what would replace the horse, and how would the change in domesticated animal affect the development of the first civilizations?

Info on horse extinction in Americas (OTL)

Note that this question will be followed up with another one based around extrapolating further human development from the situation in the accepted answer.

Malady

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I don't understand the question. Do you want a hypothetical world where horses went extinct everywhere? Then what's the question? What would be domesticated instead? – Tim B – 2015-04-20T12:25:14.453

@TimB - Yes. Precisely. ,,, OH! ... Changing...! – Malady – 2015-04-20T12:29:17.780

Just to check, are you considering "horse" as the modern domesticated horse, or its ancestor Equus ferus?

– Frostfyre – 2015-04-20T12:43:46.830

@Frostfyre ... I was just looking at that... ... I want the extinction of Equus ferus. I want absolutely no horses in this world's Europe/Eurasia.... – Malady – 2015-04-20T12:49:20.527

So you want to get rid of the entire Equidae family? That includes horses, donkeys, and zebras. – Frostfyre – 2015-04-20T12:53:35.850

@Frostfyre - ... I see... I think that's out of reach of the Ice Age... so how about just Equus ferus, which I think at least gets me, "no horses in Europe"?... – Malady – 2015-04-20T12:57:35.920

Eliminating just Equus ferus will remove horses from the entire world, rather than just Europe, which I suspect is what you want. Otherwise, Europeans could just import horses from Eurasia as luxury items. – Frostfyre – 2015-04-20T13:04:47.960

Let us continue this discussion in chat.

– Malady – 2015-04-20T13:08:59.963

1Just to nitpick on the obvious, I don't think horses would go extinct, even if humans did domesticate another species. There are still wild horses, and they are not the most endangered of species. If we lost interest in them they would still survive on their own for quite awhile – dsollen – 2015-04-20T19:51:28.147

Change: A horse's disposition (to that of like a zebra's) - otherwise this is silly. @dsollen - If they liked to bite people, they'd be hunted to extinction. – Mazura – 2018-11-24T18:19:44.510

@dsollen brings a very good point. Not only do we need to domesticate something else but also hunt the horses to extinction for them to, you know, go extinct. The question is quite unclear. Also, possibly too broad as it's definitely two questions - what we domesticated instead of horses and why did we make horses extinct. – VLAZ – 2019-02-17T13:13:14.770

@VLAZ - Yeah, I'm not sure why I explained the horse extinction due to domesticating something else... I'm quite sure that doesn't matter to the question of "If not horses, then what?", so I"ll remove that. – Malady – 2019-02-17T15:12:30.057

They would've domesticated lesser humans, obviously. – Zenon – 2019-02-17T20:35:14.630

Answers

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Well on one hand, many of the animals which aren't horses that have been domesticated over the years for a similar purpose of transportation would be used far more often. Donkeys would likely be the popular choice because although they are stubborn, they will still take you to where you need to go, and they can also carry quite a bit.

Camels too would be more commonly used as well, especially around areas with water drinking areas far and inbetween.

While elephants would certainly exist, for various reasons they are not practical for general transportation. They would perhaps be better suited for manual labor as they are used today in some countries.

However in war, you are likely not going to see a donkey or a camel being ridden by cavalry, not because it would look silly (that mostly comes from our idea that cavalry ride horses), but rather because horses tend to be very strong and fast runners, which is what you'd look for in a charged attack. Camels may be strong, but they aren't going to want to run fast and donkeys are somewhat low to the ground and so perhaps not ideal for the charge.

So my idea is that you would see bulls used. Yes, you heard correctly. Bulls are notoriously hot-headed, but then they are also not used to being ridden. If you raised one from a calf, treated him properly and gave him proper training, you'd have yourself a very strong and very fast war horse with horns. Consider also that horses have had centuries of domestication. If bulls had been domesticated over centuries, I don't doubt that they would be no more difficult to ride than stallion horses are now (which is to say, difficult, but not impossible).

And while bulls would make a solid pick for charging into battle, if we're going to try to make this interesting, then this is relevant.

Neil

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1what about mamlukes ? – Robin – 2015-04-20T13:04:00.847

5Mules are hybrids - they have a horse parent - so if horses are extinct, so are they. – Dan Smolinske – 2015-04-20T13:17:40.520

@DanSmolinske Completely valid point. Removed mules. – Neil – 2015-04-20T13:32:33.623

... How quickly would it take for donkeys to be everywhere, like horses were in OTL? – Malady – 2015-04-20T13:46:58.337

@Malandy Donkeys were originally from Africa, but quickly spread across Europe and Asia. Horses already existed wild in America, donkeys were brought over by boat on Columbus's Second Voyage, so really it wouldn't have taken much more than a century, and likely less so if it were in high demand.

– Neil – 2015-04-20T15:01:43.993

In fact, camels have been used as calvary since pre-Roman times: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_cavalry And then there's the camel skeleton excavated in an Austrian basement, presumably a relic of the 17th century Islamic invasion: http://www.history.com/news/ottoman-war-camel-skeleton-found-in-austrian-basement

– jamesqf – 2015-04-20T18:30:59.263

1@Neil Horses were actually extinct in the Americas at the time of Columbus. They were brought over later by conquistadors and ended up spreading across the Americas. – CoolCurry – 2015-04-20T21:59:08.340

Lawrence of Arabia rode a camel into battle more than once. And once, in the heat of battle, put a pistol bullet into the back of his camel's head. With unfortunate results. – WhatRoughBeast – 2015-04-21T14:19:31.500

@WhatRoughBeast Probably not one of history's most shining moments. I assume there is a good reason why horses were used more often than camels. – Neil – 2015-04-21T14:24:28.027

Horses are faster and better-tempered than camels, so as long as you don't need to operate in deep desert, they are preferred. Also, horses can be harnessed to carts and chariots, while camels - not so much. – WhatRoughBeast – 2015-04-21T15:57:54.787

You missed a "mule" in the 4th paragraph. – WhatRoughBeast – 2019-02-17T20:19:13.823

@WhatRoughBeast Removed all the things! – Neil – 2019-02-18T07:29:24.053

" If you raised one from a calf, treated him properly and gave him proper training, you'd have yourself a very strong and very fast war horse with horns." Spoken by someone with no experience with bulls. Although cattle are herd animals, bulls do not share. Unless you turn them into oxen, of course. So, no to taming a bull to be a war steed. – WhatRoughBeast – 2019-02-18T16:34:54.423

@WhatRoughBeast What person has experience taming a bull praytell? I suppose you will impress me with your many years experience as a bull rider... Stallion which is untamed is just as unwilling to be ridden as a bull (in fact, it's not considered possible). Is it so far-fetched to assume that if you could ride a stallion tamed since birth that you could also do so for a bull? – Neil – 2019-02-19T07:24:30.903

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You have a few options.

  • Bovins [sic, of tribe Bovini]: As Neil said, these could be a good choice, potentially. Though more used to a heavier fighting build than a cursorial one ideal for riding, bovins nonetheless have plenty of stamina themselves and lankier, energetic breeds can definitely form. The importance of cattle rivals that of horses in terms of transport value. They've definitely shown their worth in the ability to carry goods, pull loads and power farm or siege equipment. As for riding, Longhorns are becoming popular riding animals in Texas: enter image description here In a combat situation, I'd do away with the horns. A war steer could benefit from some kind of helmet, but horns can get stuck and become lassoed. They're cool, but a liability. Breed them out or poll them.

Being ruminants, they can also more efficiently process their food. Very economical. I think this would be the default.

  • Large antelope: Elands, kudus, etc. You can get the 'battle readiness' and ruminant ability of a bovin with the stamina and agility of a horse. Good mix.

Elands and other antelope are often bred in captivity, and elands are even farmed in some places. Quite amenable to taming in real life, though I'm not sure how much leeway we're allowed.

  • Large deer: Elk, reindeer, Megaloceros etc. Similar advantages to the bovids above. Something about deer makes them incredibly strong; even whitetail are said by the people who physically caught them to be almost as strong as a horse, though that's anecdotal. Reindeer are nowhere near the size of horses but are capable of carrying riders and pulling sleds at up to 50 mph for great distances.

Though their wild forms are often skittish, they seem to be very quick to acclamate to humans from the amount of deer parks throughout the world, not to mention pet deer. Elk are farmed today.

They also have a different interspecies combat style: whereas bovids charge and back away, deer continually press forward and lock antlers until the other gives up. This can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on what you want, but many combat riders may be using females anyway to limit liability.

  • Camelids: Camelids are incredibly valuable transport animals. Their sure-footedness over some crazy terrain and carrying strength actually negates the benefits of the wheel in some places, where old Persian roads began to fall in disrepair after the adoption of the camel. They are insanely adaptable, especially Bactrian camels which are very close to being all-weather animals.

Though camels are immensely strong and efficient travelers, they lag behind ever so slightly on the war front. Camels are slightly slower overall, slower to accelerate and are less agile. Their higher center of gravity won't make for fun turns, and it's less convenient for mowing down ground troops on account of their size. The biggest advantage of the war camel was its negative effect on horses, which is a moot point in this world.

There are probably some smaller camel species, but I only know of two llamas that may fit the bill. Hemiauchenia and Palaeolama reached 400 and 300 kg respectively, and the latter is just under the minimum weight range of ancestral horses but still workable.

  • Extinct Giraffids: Unfortunately, the problem with extinct animals is it's very hard to gauge how prolific they may have been or what their social structure was. Extant giraffes take four years to mature and have small, loose herds; okapi have essentially no social structure to speak of but take between 1.5 and 2 years (faster for females) to mature. Both rates are relatively impressive for their size, so we may not need to worry about slow growth rates.

Domestic giraffids would, in my opinion, make a great addition to anyone's world - depending on how hard you want this science, you can probably handwave a herd structure in to make them suitable horse substitutes (though they seem to compete with cattle and camels just as well on their own as draft animals). Most of these went extinct in the Miocene (save for Sivatherium which died out in the late Pleistocene), but that too can be handwaved if the author is willing.

Of these, Helladotherium, Palaeotragus, Samotherium, Shansitherium and Bramatherium have sizes and weights comparable to riding horses (organized from the lightest, 250 kg, to the heaviest, 450 kg for the smaller B. perimense). Paleotragus seems to be the most well-rounded for the 'horse' niche, but any of these could have horse-built breeds when domesticated. The first three are all more or less common throughout the Old World and Bramatherium ranged from Turkey to India, so in this hypothetical timeline where one of them survives there's a chance they may find it into human captivity.

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And should you decide to create a world where no transport animals exist, there's always the potential for more exotic alternatives... enter image description here

Thesaurus Rex

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As a personal mount, Camel seems a good choice.

Maybe people would simply focus more on running as in ancient Greece. As a reminder, they were using runners as courier because, on long distance and uneven ground, men are faster than horses.

On more leveled ground, you could imagine that bicycles or scooters were invented earlier. After all, if you ignore snobism, a scooter is a rather efficient thing.

As an animal to tow a car, it would be big dogs, bulls or elephants (from the more docile to the wilder). Or men.

If you want to focus on the surprising substitution, Elephants, Camel or giant kites are good ideas. But the reality as analysed by an economist would simply be that human have to work more.

Madlozoz

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If cities developed with only running for locomotion... would they be able to accommodate camels in the streets? Or would camels be stabled and only be used for extra-city transport? – Malady – 2015-04-20T13:48:50.640

1Actually, horses were a huge hygiene problem in towns. Horse dejection, of course, but also dead horses are not easy to evacuate without a truck. Now imagine with camel. It is quite likely to be forbidden in town. Dogs towing men in a cart still is possible. Of course, only for high nobility. – Madlozoz – 2015-04-20T13:53:28.270

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Some ancient civilizations used elephants like Cartago. If there had not been horses, Cartago would have extended the use of North African Elephants to others areas or countries like the Roman Empire.

Elephants may be only used for war because the maintain of one of them may be very expensive for a regular farmer. In medieval age, they may easily grind hundred of soldiers. And after the discover of powder, elephants may have a canyon on theirs backs.

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pys

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Do you happen to know the environmental capabilities of elephants? I was always under the impression that they require a warm environment, which may prevent them from being used in areas that get too cold in winter. – DoubleDouble – 2015-04-20T15:50:07.800

Sorry, I am not an expert in elephants :D I know that Hannibal used them for attacking Roma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War

– pys – 2015-04-20T16:17:01.890