Team Talbot, Guildford

Team Talbot, Guildford was an English basketball team competing in the National Basketball League (NBL) for three seasons between 1979 and 1982. Prior to this the team was simply known as Southern Pirates or Guildford Pirates. When the club moved to play the 1982 – 83 season in Bracknell the Pirates nickname resurfaced. (Bracknell is about 60 miles from the nearest coast.)

History

1971 to 1979

Team Talbot, Guildford was formed as the Southern Pirates, by Brian Naysmith and was based in Portsmouth, where the club had strong ties to the Southern Grammar School for Boys and Pòrtsmouth Technical High Schools "Portsmouth Pirates". The Southern Pirates were formed from the amalgamation of the two teams (1970-71?)

In 1957 Naysmith had started working at Southern as a PE teacher. He revived the school's Basketball program, making it a major sport in the school. Matches were arranged both locally but also nationally. From next to nothing Mr Naysmith made the team a powerful force at both county and National Level. The pinnacle of their success was in 1971 when the Southern Grammar School for Boys won the Schools (U-18 men) Championship Cup beating Kings Norton Boys School, Birmingham. The Kings Norton team of that era included Steve Assinder a GB and England International who played for Team Fiat. Also playing for Kings Norton was Andy Brown (basketball) who would go on the play for Team Talbot and coach Bracknell. Additionally, in 1971 the English Basket Ball Association's Junior Men's final Southern Pirates defeated Doncaster Panthers 72–39. At that time Barry Hitchcock (who would be the coach of Team Talbot, Guildford) was a PE teacher at Southern. Two of the pupils from this era Brian Hirschfield and Steven Bowden would go on to play for Team Talbot, Guildford in the NBL.

1975/76

In 1975 the Grammar school was turned into a comprehensive and Brian Naysmith was appointed to be Director of Sport at the University of Surrey at Guildford and the basketball club followed him. The move coincided with the expansion of the National Basketball League (NBL) to include a second division, which Guildford Pirates entered. Although they won only three games and finished sixth out of seven teams. In some ways, it was a case of what might have been, as Guildford's nine losses included six games lost by just 1 or 2 points. However at the end of the season Guildford dropped out of the NBL.

75–76National Basketball League Division 26th (of 7) Pld 12 W 3 L 9 F 839 A 836 Pts 15
75–76National Basketball League Division 2
OpponentsHomeF–AAwayF–A
1stVauxhall Motors (Bedford)Lost74–76Lost64–65
2ndStockport BelgradeLost58-90Lost68-89
3rdSt Lukes (Exeter)Lost77-78WON76-74
4thMallory (Lewisham)WON86-60Lost68-74
5thNottinghamLost52-82Lost87-90
7thBirmingham BulldogsLost60-61WON69-48

1978/79

After three years in the county leagues, Guildford Pirates rejoined the second division of the NBL for 1978–79 season. This was a much more successful campaign and Guildford ended the season as champions of the Second Division, with a 15–3 record. At that time, however, there was no automatic promotion or relegation between the two divisions of the NBL, so Guildford had to wait for an invitation to join the top tier, which duly arrived.

1978–79National Basketball League Division 21st (out of 10) Pld 18 W 15 L 3 F 1620 A 1426 Pts 38

Key Players

The son of U.S. Supreme Court Justice William H. Rehnquist, Jim still holds the college records for most points in a single match (50), most points in a season (668) and highest season scoring average (27.8)[1] A superbly accurate shooter—”probably the best I’ve ever seen in college ball,” said his coach, Rick Wilson, doubts over his ball handling and defense, ruled out any hopes of an NBA career.[2] While playing in England he wrote articles on European basketball for the Washington Post[3][4]

Team Talbot, Guildford 78/79 NBL2 – 17 games, 627 points at 36.9 points per game Playing with a power that belied his (lack of) height[5] Jim was virtually unstoppable in his first season with Team Talbot'

  • Dave FREDRICKSON, Regis College Denver, 6’6" forward

Selected for the All-RMAC first team in 1976/77 and 1977/78 Regis College:[6] 76/77 and 77/78 Combined: 49 games 881 pts @ 18.0 ppg

Team Talbot, Guildford: 1978/79 NBL2 – 17 games, 495 points @ 29.1 ppg.

Only played Junior Varsity[7][8]

Overall NBL record: 8 games, 140 points @ 17.5 ppg

1978–79National Basketball League Division 21st (out of 10) Pld 18 W 15 L 3 F 1620 A 1426 Pts 38
1978–79National Basketball League Division 2
OpponentsHomeF–AAwayF–A
2ndHemel Hempstead LakersWON90–86WON85–77
3rdLarsen Leeds Athletic InstituteLost75-90Lost71-82
4thTelefusion Pacemakers BlackpoolWON96-82WON99-85
5thNottinghamLost89-97WON87-85
6thBrighton RucanorWON102-94WON99-83
7thBromleyWON105-91WON103-86
8thMaidenhead SonicsWON104-73WON83-73
9thBirmingham BulldogsWON73-66WON123-101
10thDerby CFEWON99-65WON133-92

1979–80

Division 1 in 1979–80 showed many changes with four teams dropping out of Division 1. Exeter St Lukes TSB joined Division 2 whilst the Embassy Milton Keynes All-Stars, Loughborough All-Stars and Bracknell Bullets left the NBL altogether. Three teams were invited to step up, the NBL2 Champions with a new sponsorship Team Talbot, Guildford, (the NBL Division 2 Champions), the runners-up Hemel Hempstead, (with new sponsors Ovaltine) and 4th placed Blackpool joined Division One. Additionally the London Metros moved from London to Kingston, in Surrey, where, also with new sponsors they became Kelly Girl International Kingston.

Team Talbot retained the services of Jim Rehnquist and it is an indication of his shooting prowess that he managed to be the fifth highest scorer in the league in a struggling team.

Team Talbot, Guildford 78/79 NBL1 – 17 games, 478 points at 28.1 points per game. (N.B. some sources have the number of games he played as 18. but he did not play in the away game against Crystal Palace.[9]

  • Lawrence ‘Lanky’ WELLS – Louisiana Tech – 6'6" Forward

Lanky attended Louisiana Tech for 4 years, playing 98 games and averaging 16.4 ppg. Wells was a three-time All-Southland Conference selection.[10] Later completing his undergraduate degree at Northwestern State University.[11]

Team Talbot, Guildford 78/79 NBL1 – 9 games, 206 points at 22.9 points per game.[12]

Reverend Lawrence Albert "Lanky" Wells passed away in January 2017.[13]

Bob Landes also played for Brunel in the NBL. At Holy Cross where he played 55 games, scoring 76 points at 1.4 ppg[14] in his senior year his teammates included Leo Kane a future Team Talbot player and Tom Seaman who played for Bracknell Pirates and Crystal Palace.

Team Talbot, Guildford 78/79 NBL (Overall) – 13 games, 279 points at 21.5 points per game.[15]

Talbot struggled to make an impact, finishing last out of the ten clubs with a 2–16 record. In the absence of automatic promotion and relegation they remained in Division 1 for the following season.

1979–80National Basketball League Division 110th (out of 10) Pld 18 W 2 L 16 F 1592 A 1837 Pts 4
1979–80National Basketball League Division 1
OpponentsHomeF–AAwayF–A
1stCrystal PalaceLost77–108Lost78–106
2ndTeam Ziebart DoncasterLost91–98Lost107–111
3rdTeam Fiat CoventryLost75–92Lost83–99
4thOvaltine Hemel HempsteadLost72-101Lost81–90
5thKelly Girl International KingstonLost93–115Lost107–126
6thSunblest SunderlandLost90–94Lost89–110
7thStockport BelgradeLost90–112Lost92–109
8thATS Giants ManchesterWON104–96Lost94-98
9thBlackpoolWON94–83Lost75-89

1980–81

Facing a second season of struggle Team Talbot began with two new Americans, John Goedeke and Dave Winey, supported by two Dual Internationals. Firstly Irishman Leo Kane who contributed 150 points in 13 games @ 11.5 ppg. The second was Welshman Nigel Probert. Dual nationality was a controversial topic, as some players were eligible to play for England but classed as an American for their club. Goedeke had a successful season, ending it as the 4th highest scorer in the league with 443 points and his 24.6 ppg ranked 6th. However Winey was replaced after 5 games by Mark Haymore, who made significant contributions. Haymore was the leading rebounder with 14.6 per game and shot an impressive 60.7% from the field, netting 264 points in just 10 games and his 26.4 ppg rated 4th overall. The 4–14 record the club posted was enough to lift them into 9th place in the ten team division. There was also the success of the newly formed Junior Men (under 18) who, coached by Kevin Hibbs, finished second behind Crystal Palace Falcons in the Southern Division of the Junior Men's league. Their record was Pld 10 W 8 L 2 f 814 a 711 Pts 16 In the National Junior Championship Semi-finals they met Team Fiat, Birmingham. In the away tie Fiat won 63 – 57. In the home tie Team Talbot lost another close match 57 – 60, leaving the aggregate score Talbot 114 Fiat 123. Team Fiat went on to win the final beating Crystal Palace 69–59.

1980–81National Basketball League Division 19th (out of 10) Pld 18 W 4 L 14 F 1470 A 1730 Pts 8

1981–82

Their third season saw Division One expand to twelve teams with the admission of the three top teams from the previous season's second division; the Solent Stars, TCB Brighton and Liverpool. Blackpool Pacemakers dropped out. Stockport Belgrade took the decision to move away to the new Spectrum Arena in Warrington becoming Birchwood Warrington Vikings. Team Talbot, Guildford again showed improvement with a 6–16 record that included two wins against leading teams. There were three American players used Robin Jones, an NBA championship winner with the Portland Trail Blazers, Darren Pierce and Larry McKinney. Jones and McKinney made strong contributions The Junior (u-18) Men's team tasted success again winning the Junior Men's National Cup beating Team Fiat Birmingham 86–63 and reaching the Final of the National Championships Play-offs where they finished as runners-up to Crystal Palace. More importantly for the future, players from the Junior squad, most importantly Peter Scantlebury, began to appear on the Senior Men's roster.

1981–82National Basketball League Division 110th (out of 12) Pld 22 W 6 L 16 F 1811 A 2005 Pts 12

At the end of the season it was announced that the franchise would be moving to Bracknell, under new ownership. The Pirates name survived for a while, before the new franchise morphed into the Thames Valley Tigers.

Former players and Coaches
  • Steven Bowden
  • Andy Brown
  • Dave Fredrickson
  • John Goedeke
  • Mark Haymore
  • Brian Hirschfield
  • Barry Hitchcock – coach
  • Robin Jones
  • Leo Kane
  • Bob Landes
  • Larry McKinney
  • Brian Naysmith – founder and coach
  • Ken Nottage
  • Jim Rehnquist
  • Peter Scantlebury (u-19 junior)
  • Sam Stiller (u-19 junior)
  • Laurence ‘Lanky’ Wells
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References
  1. http://athletics.amherst.edu/sports/mbkb/record_book
  2. http://people.com/archive/the-puns-are-unavoidable-dads-on-the-bench-but-amherst-star-jim-rehnquist-rarely-is-vol-5-no-8/
  3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1979/06/24/europe-is-big-on-centers/8c775e96-7fe1-48dc-ac75-ecebc8d471aa/
  4. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1979/06/24/one-globetrotters-placement-service/7793c855-26ee-4db6-816c-c37412412352/
  5. http://thesportingsceneboston.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/bcs-rehnquist-dons-robes-of-scout-team.html
  6. http://static.rmacsports.org/custompages/Sports%20Information/Media%20Guide%20Digital%20Archive/1978-79/1978-79%20RMAC%20Media%20Guide%20and%20Yearbook.pdf
  7. https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/27280065/
  8. http://www.netitor.com/photos/schools/ncol/genrel/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/All-Time-Roster-MBB.pdf
  9. Authors own records
  10. http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/022813aaa.html
  11. http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showthread.php?137665-We-ve-lost-one-of-our-legends-Lanky-Wells
  12. Basketball Review
  13. http://www.brownfuneralhomeandmortuary.com/obituary/4085822
  14. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bob-landes-1.html
  15. Basketball Review

Sources
  • Basketball Review 1981–82 edited by Richard Taylor
  • Information from John Atkinson, now housed in the National Basketball Heritage Archive and Study Centre Worcester University
  • http://www.southerngrammar.com/ – the website created by old boys of the school
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