Destroy a hard drive without proper equipment

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I need to make two hard drives unreadable. Unfortunately, I have some constraints which make this harder than usual (in particular, they rule out the answers to other questions):

  • I don’t have a computer to mount the drives and erase them (weird, right?)
  • I don’t have a strong magnet
  • I don’t have the right tools (screwdrivers …) to properly dismantle the drives
  • I don’t have access to corrosive chemicals
  • I don’t have a sledgehammer.

How can I destroy the drives with the least monetary / material requirements?

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is to pinch off the connection pins, and perhaps destroy the circuit board using a small hammer.

I realise that given all the above constraints this may be too much to ask. I’m willing to settle for whatever I can get. I don’t have to fulfil legal obligations of data security, and the data on the discs, though personal, is not critical. I don’t want to prevent the FBI from reading my discs, just the next door wannabe MacGyver.

Konrad Rudolph

Posted 2011-10-05T11:46:05.247

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5maybe a bunch of methods have to be used.. one would be chucking it out a window onto some hard surface. another would be submerging it under water. maybe a deoderant and a lighter, and burn it for a while.. though there may be a healthier way whee you can be further away from it when it burns. A small hammer could dismantle the whole thing so could do a good job. – barlop – 2011-10-05T12:02:33.930

Put a few small rocks on it and run it over with your car. :) – Ƭᴇcʜιᴇ007 – 2011-10-05T12:09:33.037

@barlop - submerging wont help - although there are holes to allow air inside, they are covered by filters that stop contaminants (including water). – CJM – 2011-10-05T12:22:13.703

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the answers for this question would be of interest, since this is a subset of it. I'd personally just invest in the darned torx screwdrivers, since you can then get the awesome magnets from the drive.

– Journeyman Geek – 2011-10-05T14:01:12.690

did you try a microwave oven? it works on CDs (the magnetic platters should also be affected) – ratchet freak – 2011-10-05T14:31:39.100

1@ratchetfreak You just might destroy your microwave. Putting metal into a microwave not a suggested, although it does make a nice fireworks show sometimes... – Icode4food – 2011-10-05T15:28:53.293

@ratchetfreak I thought of the microwave too, but decided against it from previous experience with a metal bowl. But if you've got a microwave, you've probably got an oven. – music2myear – 2011-10-05T15:34:31.830

16Ask your next door MacGyver if they have a computer, a magnet, a screwdriver, some corrosive chemicals, and a sledgehammer. You'll promise to give them right back. – LarsTech – 2011-10-05T15:57:32.630

18Pity you do not have a computer else you could have installed Vista on it. That seemed to render most drives unusable. – PurplePilot – 2011-10-05T16:35:02.167

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A similar question was asked on slashdot the other day: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/30/0059235/Ask-Slashdot-Best-Way-To-Destroy-Hard-Drives

– David Houde – 2011-10-05T19:13:23.217

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Everyone seems to be focusing on hardware methods, but in reality a single wipe will do the job and allow the old hardware to be recycled instead of destroyed. It's actually considered enough for DoD standards these days. See http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-88/NISTSP800-88_rev1.pdf and the paper Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy for more details.

– Polynomial – 2011-10-05T19:33:17.583

5Copy a super important irreplaceable file onto it. That will guarantee that it will self-destruct beyond repair. At least that is my experience. – JohnFx – 2011-10-05T19:40:49.107

1woliveirajr Has the best answer... CharlieRB Has the most gratifying one... if you'd like to spend a lot of time throwing a metal brick that is. – Coyote – 2011-10-05T19:46:54.500

@woliveirajr - My apologies, I totally missed that. Shows how tired I am tonight! Still, it's important to note that it is a viable solution for anyone who does have a machine to mount the drive on. – Polynomial – 2011-10-05T20:24:39.357

@polynomial: :) that's ok, no problem! And that was what gave this question so much attention: since he can't use a computer do to that, everybody can put the destructive ideas out :-P – woliveirajr – 2011-10-05T20:28:58.457

VTC as "not contructive". Send it into the sun/outer space, really? SU, I am Dissapoint. – tombull89 – 2011-10-05T20:33:02.900

Fire, pretty much destroys everything. – Moab – 2011-10-05T20:42:16.847

Those incredibly efficient blenders you see in informercials are usually pretty cheap too ;) – Agos – 2011-10-05T23:16:59.387

@tombull89 That was people having fun. But the other answers are extremely constructive. I somewhat (not completely) agree with the “too localised” close reason. But this thread has actually unearthed a lot of very useful unorthodox methods. – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-06T06:53:23.027

Donate it to your nearest shooting range for target practice. – Daniel Beck – 2011-10-06T13:39:30.053

@Daniel See below.

– Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-06T13:40:51.493

@KonradRudolph Sorry about that -- I was only down to the 6-upvotes answers. – Daniel Beck – 2011-10-06T13:41:51.220

send it into the sun with a space shuttle. I think the heat there will destroy the circuits. – siamii – 2011-10-05T20:11:47.853

Answers

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HDD are much more resistant than people think. And in one HDD the only thing that really matters are the platters inside it.

Can you make holes over your HD, drilling it? Make sure to drill from top to bottom. 3 holes and you're good. See that one HD have the platters somehow delimited in the top of it, and the connectors are on the other side. Make the holes in the marked positions.

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Using a hammer and throwing it against the concrete floor are also good (let's say, 20% compared to make holes).

Running over with a car, even using rocks, is too little to damage the platters.

Fire is insuficient. (About 11 years ago, someone set fire on +- 20 computers in the prosecutor's office I worked, only in 1 computer we couldn't recover the HD data).

Platters are resistant. Someone said about fingerprints over it: once we opened one HDD, and with it running, we thrown some cigar ashes over it. It was still useable. Putting fingers over it: we still could recover information. It only stoped working when we used a screwdriver to create scratches over it.

woliveirajr

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2i took the ideas of holes and ran with it: drilling any metal... is difficult (requires having a nice drill, nice bits, skill to drill, etc). I had a point chisel with a large 5 pound hammer. In less than 2 minutes you can punch 3 or more holes through the harddrive top. Not only is this approach fast... but does not take much skill or finesse. – Trevor Boyd Smith – 2016-10-09T19:34:48.580

2A drill might be a good solution. – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T13:03:22.403

@Mister: I understood that he hasn't the proper tools, not any tools. Some HDDs require more then philipps screwdrivers to "proper unmount". – woliveirajr – 2011-10-05T14:59:37.703

@Mister I can use a simple screwdriver, thank you. But the HDDs require a special one. I’m reluctant to buy a special screwdriver for this one-time usage, and going to the hardware store would be a large-ish detour for me at the moment. – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T15:34:29.557

@Konrad: if you have a drill, you're done :). Or if you have a hammer + screwdriver that you can destroy, you can make the "holes" using them... – woliveirajr – 2011-10-05T15:37:28.273

The drill is fine. Nevertheless, most specialscrews can be opened with small slot screwdrivers. – Mister Smith – 2011-10-05T15:44:42.897

2+1 drilling a few holes is the method security-guru Steve Gibson recommends. Taking it apart and shattering the platters of course works, but is a lot more time consuming. – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft – 2011-10-05T16:00:01.427

8Why isn't this drilling answer higher? If you actually want to eliminate the data, you need to destroy the platters. Throwing a drive around won't do squat. Acid, hammers on the platters, drilling the platters, scratching the material off, those erase the data. – Bart Silverstrim – 2011-10-05T20:20:21.030

@woliveirajr Can you explain why fire is insufficient? We could just burn them into the air no? – Pacerier – 2012-06-19T04:53:34.390

yes, I can explain: because unless you physically damage the plates (where data is actually stored), your data might still be recovered. Fire can damage the outside components, the case, but not be hot and long enough to damage the plates. – woliveirajr – 2012-06-19T12:01:16.713

12This may void your warranty. – Stoney – 2012-11-27T10:38:44.423

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Free Method: repeatedly throw the HDD against a sidewalk or concrete wall until it comes apart. Then continue to smash the platters (internal disks) until they are extremely damaged.

Side Note: This also provides some stress relief.

CharlieRB

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22Bonus points if you scatter parts of the hard drive platter into separate trash bins so that they cannot be retrieved and pieced together. – waterwizard11 – 2011-10-05T16:43:34.183

21and then launch half of the platters into OUTER SPACE – fluffy – 2011-10-05T17:11:24.367

2+1 to Fluffy, nothing was mentioned about not having a Spaceship (perhaps he should have started with what he had) – tekiegreg – 2011-10-05T18:23:27.540

+1 This should be the method of choice in absence of proper tools. – Mister Smith – 2011-10-05T18:28:07.780

A hammer or sledgehammer should do the trick... – Coyote – 2011-10-05T19:43:11.370

Um...you can just get some screwdrivers and disassemble the drives to get to the platters...smashing won't actually do much to "destroy" the data on them unless you're actually damaging the media. Drives are extremely resilient. – Bart Silverstrim – 2011-10-05T20:17:23.203

2I think you'll all be very surprised at how strong modern hard drive are when this does more damage to the cement than the hard drive. – Chris S – 2011-10-05T20:26:11.020

As Chris S points out, that would be pretty bad for your sidewalk. Open it up and smash the platters. – Yitzchak – 2011-10-05T20:34:40.993

I upvoted this, because I love smashing. – Yuck – 2012-02-13T17:46:52.490

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Snipping off the pins will foil your average wannabe-MacGuyver. Some disks expose other circuitry, which you can further damage/destroy in a number of ways.

If the platters remain intact, the [insert-your-security-service-of-choice] will be able to read data off them. So you would need to significantly damage the platters or to wipe them them using a software tool. This seems to be beyond you, given your constraints, but given that you aren't concerned with security services, this shouldn't worry you.

I've never tried it, and won't vouch for any results, but baking the drive might be fun, as would freezing it. If you want to be thorough, alternately bake and freeze it! The expansion/contraction effects would cause plenty of damage I am sure.

You could also drop in the sea/in the middle of a lake, bury it in a forest, simply send it to me and I'll give it my kids - they seem to have knack of destroying all sorts of high-tech equipment that I own.

CJM

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A good swiftly-moving river seems to work well for bodies in Jersey. Why not hard drives, too? – SDsolar – 2017-05-13T23:48:01.187

25Your kids probably seem the safest bet. ;-) – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T12:10:56.353

5Giving to kids won't work. They probably just destroy the things they shouldn't. It's somehow related to the Murphy's law, and you can't try to fool it pretending you don't want to destroy the drive. – woliveirajr – 2011-10-05T13:12:25.683

4+1 "Burying in a forest" simple, cheap and kind of reliable if the forrest is big enough. – sum1stolemyname – 2011-10-05T14:09:20.200

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Make a nice campfire (if you are in a rural area) or a ghetto-oven from a barrel (if you are in an urban area).

When the fire is ablaze, put the HDD in the center of the fire. Keep the fire burning for at least an hour or so, in order to let the magnetized surface of the HDD platters to loose their orientation, or even melt if they are made of aluminium.

In response to some comments:

Platters are typically made using an aluminium or glass and ceramic substrate. In disk manufacturing, a thin coating is deposited on both sides of the substrate, mostly by a vacuum deposition process called magnetron sputtering.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_platter, emphasis mine

Ghetto oven made from barrel

sum1stolemyname

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21magnetized... aluminum. – Travis Christian – 2011-10-05T14:47:01.947

11@TravisChristian Correcting what is considered correct spelling in many English speaking countries makes you look very narrow minded. Please take note that there are other countries and continents other than North America... – R4D4 – 2011-10-05T15:07:50.367

2I would forego the marshmallows in this case, though. – Wonko the Sane – 2011-10-05T15:17:24.473

20@R4D4 I think he was referring to the fact that aluminium cannot be magnetized... In fact, they coat the aluminium with a ferromagnetic substance. – BloodPhilia – 2011-10-05T15:40:15.850

13@R4D4 I didn't notice any spelling. Aluminum is a non-magnetic metal. I guess I should have been more explicit. – Travis Christian – 2011-10-05T15:48:05.627

Not from North America? Who let you on the internet? – WernerCD – 2011-10-05T16:56:14.273

1BAD IDEA because this would result in me breathing in fumes of stuff I don't want to breathe. Think about all the chemicals that go into the making of computer chips. I'd rather not worry about whether or not the hard drive has bad chemicals in it and just skip this method altogether. – jcollum – 2011-10-05T17:39:12.700

According to @woliveirajr this does not reliably work.

– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft – 2011-10-05T18:57:24.397

@TravisChristian My apologies, it seems I misjudged your comment and jumped the gun... – R4D4 – 2011-10-05T20:35:44.113

@R4D4 No problem. Welcome to the internet :) – Travis Christian – 2011-10-05T21:56:44.650

@BlueRaja he said they set fire to the computers, not the hard drives. Intense heat should destroy the magnetic fields on the platters. – Breakthrough – 2013-06-11T01:29:32.337

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How can I destroy the drives with the least monetary / material requirements?

You've pretty much ruled out the most common and easiest ways to physically destroy your data, but that being said, you still have two routes that are fairly inexpensive.

Physically Destroy The Drive Platters: Go to your local hardware store, and buy a cheap $5 hammer. Smash hard drive until you are satisfied that the platters have even been warped or somehow deformed. Make this step easier by adding in a small screwdriver set if you don't want to smash the HDD case as well.

Another good idea would be to take the platters out, and put them in a campfire for a few hours. After that, they should be pretty much unrecoverable, following further destruction of the remains (after letting them cool off, of course).

Buy An External HDD Enclosure: I've seen these go for like $15 at my local computer store. Pop the drive in an enclosure, and fire up DBAN. Combine with the previous recommendation for even more security!


TL,DR: You have to physically destroy the data on the platters (really easy, just smash them, warp them, bend them, do whatever - even a single fingerprint on the platter will destroy gigabytes of data). You can also use a computer tool to overwrite all of your sectors until you are reasonably satisfied that said data cannot be recovered.

Breakthrough

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I must be physical. There is no software that will foil a scanning electron microscope. – SDsolar – 2017-05-13T23:49:03.720

We used to use a sledge to obliterate them at one job. Another we had a hydraulic wedge. The hammer was definitely the most satisfying :D – Rig – 2011-10-05T12:23:56.867

Fingerprints and most other minor annoyances will not destroy data; though they'll generally greatly reduce the lifespan of the device. – Chris S – 2011-10-05T20:33:56.050

@Chris S even a spec of dust on the disk surface will corrupt data. This is why you normally can't swap platters yourself, unless you're in a very clean area. Even just a fingerprint will corrupt a lot of data. Yes, you might be able to recover it, but you've also now physically damaged the disk surface. – Breakthrough – 2011-10-05T20:50:05.763

@Breakthrough Have you actually tried this yourself? – Chris S – 2011-10-05T23:09:13.180

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If you just want to prevent your neighbor, then ripping off the circuit board would be enough. You could also mutilate the stickers on the drive, just in case your neighbor gets the idea to buy same drive and transplant boards. Another idea which may be good would be to destroy the wires going into the motor. That, depending on the drive, will require replacement of the motor or the drive case itself if done properly.

AndrejaKo

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I'd go a step further. I'd open the HDD case and shortcircuit the 4-pin power connector. This way, if the annoying neighbour tries to read the drive in his own computer, with a bit of luck his power supply will get damaged (never tested). This is yet another good reason to use the screwdriver (yes, I know, the question says it can't be used) – Mister Smith – 2011-10-05T18:24:44.760

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You mention you may have a small hammer. Is this correct?

There is a hard case on 5 sides of the drive and a much softer cover on the last side (usually the "top" with the labels and such). This softer cover should be able to be significantly dented with a few stiff stikes from a hammer.

Besides that the heat methods mentioned above should work. For instance, if you don't much care what your oven ought to smell like:

Ingredients: 1 Hard Drive, cleaned

Tools: Cookie sheet Aluminum foil

Instructions Heat oven to broil. Clean the hard drive by removing any circuit boards from the drive and any plastic you can. Cover the cookie sheet with the aluminum foil and place the cleaned hard drive in the middle of the tray. Place the tray in the oven near the top (or in the broiler, if you have one). Open a window and get a fan and take the battery out of your fire alarm. Bake until crispy. Serve hot with a dollop of Old World Spumoni ice cream.

music2myear

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Yeah, use your meth-production oven for this one. – SDsolar – 2017-05-13T23:49:43.350

I'd toss that puppy in the oven for twenty minutes at 500 degrees. Any plastic or lead will melt. Of course, you may end up dead yourself. But that wasn't part of the equation. – Evik James – 2011-10-05T15:20:23.963

6Given the chemicals which will be released by this process, it probably wouldn't be a good idea to use the oven for food after following this advice. – Mark Booth – 2011-10-05T16:20:45.990

lead melts, depending on alloy, around 700 degrees. (grin) – skm – 2011-10-05T21:32:43.650

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Google for a local shooting range, offer them a target of your Hard Drives. They'll shoot it to shreds (if they're any good).

If that doesn't work, find a sidewalk and have some fun with smashing it into the ground. Repeat until you're happy with it in pieces.*

*: Make sure to pick up your mess

jrg

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2I’m in North Germany, we don’t have shooting ranges here (true story!). This does sound like fun, though. – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T15:38:00.270

1@KonradRudolph That's a shame - it's fun to watch. – jrg – 2011-10-05T15:39:34.760

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I'm not positive how effective this is but for speed and ease I like to take a drill and drill a few holes through the circuit board and on through the platters. I suppose then if you poured a little water in the filters would also be much less effective.

Dennis

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Have a neighbor with a bench vise? Squeeze the heck out of it. You'll surely fracture the platters as well as the motor and the PCB.

JRobert

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By far the cheapest and easiest method I've found for destroying drives is to triple bag the drive in good garbage bags and swing it at the concrete a few times. If you have a couple drives you can put them in side by side.. Otherwise adding a couple rocks to the bag helps.

My preferred method as of late is to take my arc welder to the drive.. Melting a drive that has given you headaches is so much more fun.

Tim Brigham

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PROTIP: Works for hiding the bodies of dead hookers too. – krowe – 2015-03-04T02:58:28.353

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4 bucks will buy you a torx bit set on Amazon with which you can deal with any weird screws you may come across.

Angelo

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Yep - and THEN the drill – SDsolar – 2017-05-13T23:51:06.353

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I used to work for a Computer Service and we used to destroy platters inside small laptop 2'5 hdds just by hitting them hard over the desk using hand and nothing else. This was done so that the platters would break into pieces (you could hear them that they are in very small pieces) while still the external side would be fine with no visibility of external damage. Then we usually sent them back to producer on warranty case. Worked all the time. Not sure how big drive would react thou :-)

MadBoy

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This works for the drives that use glass platters. Not aluminum. I believe only a few models of drives made by IBM, then HGST, used glass platters. – Jamie Hanrahan – 2015-02-13T06:16:46.350

Yeah that works for those drives. On a bigger drive the platters were tough steel. – Mike Dunlavey – 2011-10-05T18:26:56.333

Why -1 ? Please state your reason? – MadBoy – 2011-10-06T09:13:06.087

I didn't downvote you. I upvoted you. – Mike Dunlavey – 2011-10-06T11:58:22.767

Yes but someone did :-) – MadBoy – 2011-10-06T13:00:49.697

It happens on these forums. You can expect to get zinged for no apparent reason, or if you're lucky, it could be because you said something interesting, thus controversial. – Mike Dunlavey – 2011-10-06T16:48:40.093

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Aside from what i have below, one thing that i've done by accident a few times is dropped a hard drive while it's turned on. take a hammer and do the same thing (with it turned on).

I've done this multiple ways in the past. The first thing I do is perform Zero Wipes on the hard drive multiple times. This will ensure that even data that was deleted gets written over several times with the 0 Format.

The second step can go one of two directions.

  1. sledgehammer (rock, hammer, anything hard) - bang the heck out of the drive until it's a pancake

  2. overpower - get a powerstrip and a power connector from an old power supply. hook up the hard drive to the power connector and feed the other end into the power strip. Plug in the power strip and flip the switch. It will fry the capacitors and basically the whole board. You can then take the hammer to it.

kobaltz

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Yeah - it is much easier to destroy things than to create them. – SDsolar – 2017-05-13T23:54:43.137

3Personally, I would do the above, put it in some sea water, sell it on craigslist to some nigerian. Let's call it an unlocked iPhone 6 or something. Send it to them with a declared value of $10,000 and make them pay the taxes on it. – kobaltz – 2011-10-05T13:20:12.337

4One thing I've learned in life is that there is no such thing as improper equipment when it comes to destroying something. – kobaltz – 2011-10-05T18:00:03.367

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Microwave the drive. Effective and dangerous. Just be sure you don't use your own microwave. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bUyp00RvTw

MVCylon

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I usually do this... never had problems with the microwave. It's only good for destroying circuitry though, as far as I know. – Thorarin – 2011-10-10T08:27:35.397

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Charcoal chimney, $10-$20 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XSAA2W

Charcoal $5

Total: $15-$25 and you can make steak later (after cleaning the chimney).

Line bottom with charcoal, place hard drive inside, line sides and top with charcoal, light charcoal. Stand back and don't inhale.

Chad Brewbaker

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Since I don’t live in a rural area and there are those silly restrictions on public fires in place this won’t be possible. But I like the idea. – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T20:08:52.943

Hmm. You should be able to hack together a fluidized bed to pass the smoke through. This would be an interesting project. – Chad Brewbaker – 2011-10-06T18:33:22.243

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Got a hacksaw?

You don't have to cut very far into it, just to notch the platters.

(Personally, I disassemble and mangle the platters.)

There is a real problem of used hard drives migrating to data-robbers in lawless places - leading to identity theft.

Mike Dunlavey

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1

go to imperial state building's roof top. then simply drop it. make sure nobody is down there.

Sean87

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11What is the "imperial state building"? Does Darth Vader work there? – JohnFx – 2011-10-05T19:39:26.987

2“Make sure nobody is down there” – how, exactly? Is downtown Manhattan ever this deserted? ;-) – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T20:07:52.413

@John thats the imperialistic version of empire :P – Sean87 – 2011-10-05T22:21:33.667

Manhattan? Perhaps you mean the Empire State Building? – JohnFx – 2011-10-06T04:49:27.357

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It's a hard drive -- drive over it.

The old traditional way to destroy a drive was to drill holes through it, but I'm guessing you don't have a drill either.

Daniel R Hicks

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Someone else already mentioned that driving over it won’t be enough to damage the HDD substantially. – Konrad Rudolph – 2011-10-05T20:07:02.073

Actually tried driving over my hd before, several times, platters appeared to have survived...of course this was a 2005 Toyota Prius, I'd imagine a Peterbuilt 18 wheeler fully loaded might have different results... – tekiegreg – 2011-10-05T22:13:25.497

Nah, actually the Peterbuilt's wheels are too hard to do the job. – Daniel R Hicks – 2011-10-07T13:04:50.043

Though driving a nail through the thin side should do the job. – Daniel R Hicks – 2011-10-07T13:05:40.463