Can Screwdrivers With Magnetic Tips Cause Damage To Electronics?

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While it is convenient to pick screws with magnetized tips I wonder if the magnetism can cause any damage to electronics?

Boris_yo

Posted 2011-08-14T16:28:01.163

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8It's going to depend on a) how strong the magnet is and b) the specific electronic component you are talking about. – ChrisF – 2011-08-14T16:32:20.247

6CRTs, speakers, hard drives all have electronics and magnetic fields... A screwdriver tip can barely pick up larger screws, and I would imagine you'd need a Really Freakin' Big Magnet to damage a microchip. (Disclaimer: I mostly slept through Physics.) – user1686 – 2011-08-14T16:37:52.700

14Been using mag tipped screwdrivers around Electronics for 40+ years, no unintentional damage yet. – Moab – 2011-08-14T16:51:52.370

3@Moab, “no *un -intentional* damage”? o.O – Synetech – 2011-08-14T17:32:59.430

@Synetech inc. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unintentional

– Boris_yo – 2011-08-14T18:22:05.827

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@Boris_yo, thanks, I know. The sentence is funny because it makes it sound like there may have been intentional damage. (Maybe I should have used a :) or ;) instead of o.O)

– Synetech – 2011-08-14T18:29:18.287

1I was playing off of the answer by surfasb. – Moab – 2011-08-14T19:04:17.190

9If you stab the screen with the magnetic tip, then yes. – surfasb – 2011-08-14T16:46:53.967

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If you're thinking that magnetic screwdrivers might corrupt data on hard disks, my experience is that it doesn't happen. I've used my magnetic screwdriver to drive screws into the holes on hard drives, and nothing bad has ever happe$#J@R(F$*U%&$#(J

Ryan C. Thompson

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2Made me laugh. You really get a +1. – yakatz – 2011-08-14T20:09:38.147

3If you've ever taken a modern hard drive apart, you'll know that they have some pretty string magnets inside them already. Not only are they much stronger than any magnetic screwdriver but they are inside the metal case of the hard drive too! – Mark Booth – 2011-08-15T14:56:44.013

1I think you'll find that they are carefully designed to keep all the field between the drive coils and a really really small amount leaking out the side that could affect the disk. They are also very close together. A magnetic screwdriver could easily put more field in the disk region than the drive magnets. – Martin – 2011-08-15T16:19:04.930

Hard drive disks are enclosed in an aluminum box that acts as a shield. External fields do not get inside up to the approximation that it acts a perfect conductor. – crasic – 2011-08-15T16:52:29.590

1note: hard drive magnets are actually a great way to magnetize a screwdriver in the first place. – jcrawfordor – 2011-08-16T07:59:07.333

@crasic, are you perhaps thinking of electrical fields? Aluminum is not ferromagnetic. Assuming a static magnetic field why would it be affected by a conductor? – CarlF – 2011-08-18T12:24:42.430

1> I've used my magnetic screwdriver to drive screws into the holes on hard drives, and nothing bad has ever happe$#J@R(F$U%&$#(J* Exactly; and there’s nothing wrong with parsing HTML with regular-expressions either. – Synetech – 2012-03-01T19:37:35.057

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You could make an old time crt monitor display funny colors, not sure about 3.5" and 5" floppies.

But unless your screwdriver is with pretty big neodymium magnet head, you are highly unlikely to damage anything. Most electronic components are not ferromagnetic and inducing strong current inside them is hard to do. You will even have hard time damaging the data on a hard drive.

D.Iankov

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40No, the screwdriver won't make the floppies display funny colours ;-) – Linker3000 – 2011-08-14T19:06:16.713

@Linker3000, though some floppies are already funny colors. (I’d take a snap, if I could get my Big Box o’ Floppies out.) – Synetech – 2011-08-14T20:00:32.943

1Wait, what about my 8" floppies - they always displayed funny colors. – Mark Schultheiss – 2011-08-15T12:26:07.180

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Magnetic tips don't do damage unless there is power, at worst, they can change stored data.

A hard drive is sealed of by a metal case around it, and the distance to the internal components is big. So, it won't be affected. However, watch out with memory cards and ROM memory like the BIOS, although I would believe they are protected against static electricity there might still exist a small risk...

These are simple physics, the magnetic tip has a magnetic field which will induce ferromagnetic wave into the conductive materials around it. This induced power will be rather small, but depending on the amount of magnetic force the magnetic tip has it might be enough to change some bits when you get close enough to the magnetic parts of not properly shielded storage media...

Tamara Wijsman

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The induced voltage from waving a magnetic screwdriver around an electronic component would be vanishingly small -- orders of magnitude less than that necessary to create a "static" hazard. – Daniel R Hicks – 2011-08-15T01:41:01.447

1Yes, the physical damage from waving the 12 pound lug attached to my uberstrong screwdriver caused more harm when it cracked the drive case. :)) – Mark Schultheiss – 2011-08-15T12:29:17.813

@DanH: Waving? You must be joking. – Tamara Wijsman – 2011-08-15T13:52:23.437

@MarkSchultheiss: Thanks for confirming the hard drive paragraph. – Tamara Wijsman – 2011-08-15T13:53:00.067

1@Tom Wijsman -- If you aren't waving it then no current/voltage is induced at all. – Daniel R Hicks – 2011-08-15T16:01:21.517

@DanH: That's not necessary to change the polarity of a bit... – Tamara Wijsman – 2011-08-15T16:07:41.003

5@Tom Wijsman -- What physical mechanism would cause damage to a semiconductor memory module from having a magnet nearby? – Daniel R Hicks – 2011-08-15T23:32:12.453

@DanH: Please ask such new questions on Physics.SE, they can explain it to you in more detail. Comments aren't meant for that, they should be limited to the question topic... – Tamara Wijsman – 2011-08-15T23:36:56.247

I had 5 years of physics in engineering school, thank you. – Daniel R Hicks – 2011-08-16T00:23:17.560

@DanH: If you really want an answer from a non-Physics community: Magnets? How do they work?. ;-)

– Tamara Wijsman – 2011-08-16T00:28:47.613

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It’s unlikely that the magnet in your screwdriver is powerful enough. See this question on specifics about what can be harmed.

Synetech

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Let's put it this way: the risk is vastly less than the risk for causing damage if you lose or scratch a screw across a board.

Joel Coehoorn

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In the old days, there used to be a lot of risk with computer innards and magnetic devices -- the hard and floppy drives used to be susceptible to magnetic scrambling.

Nowadays, not so much -- to get the density of 500 GB+ drives, the magnetic material on the platters is almost non-magnetic, and it requires intense local fields to change the bits -- such intensity is only acheivable with strong fields from the tip of the head at 0.1um or so from the surface. Nowadays, you could pick up the drive using a electromagnet from a crane and the data would not be damaged.

Thor Johnson

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A magnetic screwdriver can damage certain components that operate from magnetic fields. The classical case was the old-fashioned tape recorder head (data or audio) which needed to be "degaussed" whenever you worked near it with any ferrous tools, even if not magnetized.

Of course, no one uses tape recorders any more, and for the most part things like disk drives are fully enclosed now and relatively insensitive to external magnetic fields. However, I would still advise that one not using a magnetic screwdriver when working on or around a disk drive, since drives are so thin and compact now that a screwdriver tip could get quite close to one of the heads. And, of course, diskettes can be damaged by a magnetic field that is strong enough (possibly a magnetic screwdriver laid on top of a diskette, eg). (Don't keep boot diskettes and the like in a toolbox.)

In terms of other components -- circuit boards, power supplies, CD drives, memory modules, etc -- a magnetic screwdriver (or any sort of permanent magnet less powerful than one used in an MRI machine) will not cause damage. (You can, of course, still cause damage to memory modules and the like due to static discharge, but magnetism had nothing to do with that.)

Daniel R Hicks

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No, there's nothing to worry about, many modern laptops are full of magnets. The magnet I stick on my screwdriver when removing tricky / sticky screws came from a laptop lid. They are used to keep the lids closed on modern laptops without the need for mechanical latches (and occasionally to trigger the lid closed sensor). They are very strong magnets (much stronger than any screwdriver I've ever used) and quite often they come down very close to the hard drive, something I doubt the manufacturers would do if it caused any serious reliability issues.

Roger Heathcote

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We used magnetic screwdrivers in our shop...we fixed everything electronic including computers. I once saw a computer tech struggling to screw down a motherboard...I told him just use a magnetic screwdriver and he said oh no! I've read computer books that warn you never to use magnetic screwdrivers around a computer. I don't see how it could possibly harm the motherboard.

bob lou

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Magnetism in screwdrivers won't do a thing! I have a really strong magnet, so strong I can barely take it off my Hard Drive after I put it on, and there is no damage whatsoever.

Mark

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