Is it possible to determine if a 256kbps mp3 is just an mp3 with a lower bit-rate that was converted up to 256kbps?

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Every place I look that discusses digital audio quality seems to talk about almost nothing but bit-rate. However, it seems to me that the bit-rate only indicates the number of kbps, and not the actual quality.

Let's say we have this 128kbps file and we convert it to 256kbps. Effectively, we've done nothing but increase the file size as no new information has been added. But is it possible to tell that the audio came from a file with 128kbps quality and that that's all the 'quality' it contains? If I play the 2 files over high quality speakers, will there be an difference, however unnoticeable by humans?

(I know this is an odd question as you virtually never want to rip audio to a higher bit-rate than it was originally, but I'm curious about the true relationship between audio bit-rate and actual sound quality and this seemed to be a good way to examine the difference. :)

Gordon Gustafson

Posted 2011-07-07T23:51:57.530

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I think lack of certain frequencies and presence of certain typical distortions can be attributed to a particular codec and bitrate so presence of these attributes in a high-bitrate or a lossless audio file can potentially reveal the fact they have been converted this way to fake quality. I wish there was a program that could do this automatically so I could just scan my music collection, find such files and compress them back to save space without loosing anything... – Ivan – 2016-07-25T05:18:37.783

When you attempt to up convert, it increases the file size due to oversampling the original 128, actually there would be a slight loss in quality when up converting. Human ears vary, some may be able to hear the difference. – Moab – 2011-07-08T03:05:35.063

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Examining the audio fingerprints can reveal if the audio was previously encoded at a lower quality (and perhaps even which codec and possibly even which encoder was used).

Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

Posted 2011-07-07T23:51:57.530

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1Interesting, how exactly is this done and what does it look for? – Gordon Gustafson – 2011-07-08T00:11:44.430

The first step is usually to plot a stereograph. From there, holes or patterns can be seen that indicate the various codecs and encoders in play. – Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams – 2011-07-08T00:51:38.123

Good luck with that one! – surfasb – 2011-07-08T05:40:04.070