In Linux, is working as su the same as working as root?

There's no difference between "the super user" and "root". But the thing is, su (which actually stands for "switch user", I believe) doesn't entirely emulate the environment you would get if you logged in directly as root. For instance, usually when you run su, environment variables from your current shell are carried over to the subshell in which you're logged in as root. (Except for PATH; see the man page for details)

To get around this, you can use the -l (or --login) option to su, which will attempt to duplicate the environment you would get if you actually logged in as root.

David Z

Posted 2010-07-06T20:34:39.437

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10+1, right answer. I typically use just the dash instead: su -. Check your su man page to verify that su - and su -l act the same on your system. – Doug Harris – 2010-07-06T20:45:52.413

3+1 for switch user. Not many people remember that it can be used for any username if you're in wheel. – AndrejaKo – 2010-07-06T21:14:18.923

@AndrejaKo: regarding /in wheel/ - does any su check that? (I know GNU version ignores wheel completely.) – user1686 – 2010-07-07T12:00:31.050

I honestly don't know. I think that in Solaris it does, but I can't test it at the moment. I remember I read that back when GNU su was new, rms decided not to use wheel because of ideological reasons. I assume that at the time Unix systems regularly checked to see if user was in wheel. Also I read somewhere that Solaris will use wheel if group exists. Here's a source for that http://www.windowsecurity.com/whitepapers/Armoring_Solaris.html

– AndrejaKo – 2010-07-07T12:34:49.183

I also read that BSDs have wheel, but again I haven't used BSD in quite a while, so I don't remember. Here's an article discussing that: http://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/the-wheel-group/ Here it's said that OS X had wheel at one time http://osxfaq.com/Tutorials/LearningCenter/AdvancedUnix/ugp/index.ws Here's an article about wheel in FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/securing-freebsd.html In the end, it's good to keep wheel in mind even if the system doesn't support it. You'll never know when you'll stumble upon a system with configured wheel.

– AndrejaKo – 2010-07-07T12:37:09.183

I seem to remember at least one instance of being unable to use su until I added my user to wheel, and this was on GNU/Linux. (I guess it might have been sudo I'm thinking of) – David Z – 2010-07-07T15:58:20.950

Can someone expound on the purpose of wheel? I've never used it, my users aren't in it though they have su/sudo rights, but my distro (Fedora core 8) comes with it as a group with root inside. What is it for? – Yarin – 2010-07-08T14:20:16.097

@David Is there an equivalent of the -l option for sudo, or would that not make sense (Probably not I'm guessing) – Yarin – 2010-07-08T14:22:22.160

1@Yarin: actually there is: sudo -i will simulate an initial login by invoking the shell of the specified user (root by default) as a login shell. This should have mostly the same effect as su -l but it's a different mechanism, so it might not be exactly the same down to every detail. See the man page for sudo for details. – David Z – 2010-07-09T00:14:56.417

3sudo is there to protect you from yourself as it is too easy to make mistakes running as root. I've been a unix-head since way before sudo, never make an rm I didn't mean, and still use sudo in preference to a root shell. Typing 4 characters, a space, and sometimes my user password requires far more awareness of root privilege than having # as a shell prompt. – msw – 2010-07-06T22:07:41.063

1@msw: true, but sometimes sudo is unnecessarily inconvenient, e.g. when you're going to be running a series of commands as root or you want to take advantage of filename completion in rwx------ directories, or something like that. What I do is set the root shell prompt to display in red and my regular user's shell prompt to display in green. Works great and it's pretty too ;-) (and I do usually use sudo too) – David Z – 2010-07-07T04:11:45.017

In Linux, is working as su the same as working as root?

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