Processor speed limited at 0.4 GHz

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I have an 8th generation Core i5 processor, and it always worked great until these last two days where it doesn't go over 0.4 GHz. I've updated the chipset drivers, removed Intel thermal management, installed it again, ran Intel CPU testing (everything passed), ran stress tests with other tools, tried ThrottleStop, changed advanced power options, created my own profiles, checked the battery (it's working as usual), and tried it plugged in.

I'm kind of desperate for options at this point. Even the fans are not spinning while the CPU temperature doesn't go over 60 degrees Celsius even on stress tests. Any suggestions?

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Hey'Youssef

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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11I would recommend you try booting Ubuntu or similar from a USB drive to see if you get the same behaviour. It's possible that a Windows update or something has caused the problem – James P – 2019-04-02T08:27:26.020

1Good suggestion, I'll try that and let you know how it goes – Hey'Youssef – 2019-04-02T08:40:16.803

6I had this problem with my wife's laptop. Fix that I found was to completely power down the system - pull the cmos battery, etc. Then hold down the power button for a solid minute so that everything discharges as far as possible. Not posting this as an answer because it's really just a shot in the dark. if you try this and it works feel free to ping me to post as an answer or to post it yourself, idk. – Monica Apologists Get Out – 2019-04-02T12:56:41.540

11Googling "i5-8250u 400mhz" turns up other folks reporting a similar issue. – Nat – 2019-04-02T13:13:44.747

3@Adonalsium unfortunately, many laptops have the CMOS battery soldered to the board these days :( On the bright side, a UEFI reset may help. – Baldrickk – 2019-04-02T13:57:55.070

@Baldrickk: Well, then, unsolder the battery. – Sean – 2019-04-02T16:21:38.853

In this post someone reports a similar problem relating it with turbo options enabled (spikes in the turbo/frequency/temperature so abrupt to limit the cpu freq before the fan changed the spinning speed). What about your bios? Is it updated? Did you check each option related? Did you tried with a different OS to understand if the problem is in the OS?

– Hastur – 2019-04-02T16:43:13.923

2You may wish to try an application that allows you to manually control fan speed, such as SpeedFan or NoteBook FanControl - if you can set the fan to 100% and it never makes a sound, that is a close indication the fan is malfunctioning. As a poor man's alternative, try running a simple game of at least opening a few browser windows with youtube videos playing and wait for the temps to rise and the fan to kick on. If neither happens, again that's a huge tip that the fan or related sensors/wires have malfunctioned - especially if you get the same behavior with a Linux Live USB boot – BrianH – 2019-04-02T19:18:51.003

Is it a Dell Computer? Dell will intentionally throttle down the CPU if it detects that you aren't using a genuine Dell power pack. – Larryc – 2019-04-02T23:44:13.670

See my question here: https://superuser.com/q/1340216/48624 This is a power limit issue. Use Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to log this effect on your own machine.

– Brad – 2019-04-03T03:20:19.820

some laptops have a powersaver mode which reduces clock speed, can you check if it is enabled ? – Nigel Fds – 2019-04-03T04:04:32.353

Isn't Core i5-8250U 7th generation (Kaby Lake Refresh)?

– Peter Mortensen – 2019-04-03T11:57:28.937

@PeterMortensen - Based on the part number it’s 8th gen.. 7th would be Kaby Lake while 8th is Kaby Lake Refresh.

– Ramhound – 2019-04-03T12:07:00.500

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From everyone's feedback I questioned my hardware, and my fan more specifically, and that was indeed the problem. What I've done was pretty simple "have you tried turning it off and on again" hardware manipulation: I've opened the laptop, unplugged the fan, turned it on for some seconds, turned it off, plugged the fan again, and it was spinning. I've also moved manually the fan before that when it was still turned off, just in case it was stuck for some reason. Don't know what did the trick, but it worked, and yes the motherboard was detecting the fan issue and throttling the cpu, as now it's working perfectly even without the fan spinning on low load work. Thanks for all the suggestions, as this issue has risen after I've played with the power options CPU limitations, I thought it might've been a software thing, and maybe that played a role, who knows. Bottom line, this worked for me, hope it works for others as well!

Hey'Youssef

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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I suggest you check your CPU fan: maybe it died and the chipset is smart enough to detect it and throttle down the CPU, but not smart enough to tell you what the problem is.

Dmitry Grigoryev

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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That’s my first guess too. In the Bios it might be possible to see the fan state somewhere, even if you get no indication in the OS. – Tonny – 2019-04-02T08:25:03.793

I thought about that too, but on hardware monitor software it shows clearly that the chipset clock speed max is wrong, I'm editing my question to add a screenshot of it. – Hey'Youssef – 2019-04-02T08:35:02.257

6Yes, if your BIOS detects a problem with the CPU fan, it will throttle you down to protect itself. The question here is, is the fan not spinning because it is not necessary, or is the speed reduced so much because the fan is not spinning? You can also try to reset the BIOS to its defaults. – LPChip – 2019-04-02T08:36:37.240

The BIOS settings I have access to don't show anything, it's a very basic ACER BIOS that has like 2-3 options I can change, and they're all useless. Maybe I need to flash a different one – Hey'Youssef – 2019-04-02T08:39:42.763

19@Hey'Youssef On most computers, the fan always starts for a short time after a cold reset. Does your fan ever spin? – Dmitry Grigoryev – 2019-04-02T11:35:22.657

Don't modern CPUs run so hot that they literally cannot avoid overheating within seconds if the fans are nonfunctional, even throttled down as far as possible? – Sean – 2019-04-02T16:23:02.367

1@Sean If you have no cooler installed, then yes. But even without a fan, most CPU coolers have a passive component. Depending on your cooler, it might very well be possible. – Sudix – 2019-04-02T16:59:17.277

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@Sean According to the Intel website that CPU has a TDP of 10W when running at 800Mhz. According to this calculator you only need a 0.5x4x4 inch heatsink to keep it under 60C without a fan, given favorable room temperature and airflow (I used 23C ambient, and Rv=500, then converted to inches). OP's CPU is throttled to 400Mhz so it is potentially generating even less heat than that.

– SamYonnou – 2019-04-02T17:17:40.330

13@SamYonnou Yes, OP's CPU is also 52C idle at 400MHz - that's pretty telling of a thermal issue. – J... – 2019-04-02T19:02:52.240

1@J... In fact I missed the max power usage of 2.9W in the screenshot. That would require a heatsink a third of the size in my original comment to keep under 55C (which is the max heat in the screenshot). That's well within the range of even low power laptop cooling systems with just a single fan/heatsink combo. So OPs fan/fans are clearly not running. Whether it's a dead fan, a loose connection, a power problem or something else is another question – SamYonnou – 2019-04-02T20:47:18.143

4This is the correct answer, the CPU is being thermally throttled, likely the only reason it’s not overheating is due to the fact there is minimal other cooling in the device. You also have a processor designed to work with very little cooling. – Ramhound – 2019-04-03T12:15:59.997

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@Sean: no, that was true in like Pentium 4 days, but years of power usage being a critical factor for peak clock speed and for laptop energy efficiency has got us to a point where modern CPUs at idle can dissipate little enough heat that even with no heatsink they might survive. Even waking up briefly to service interrupts running an OS, package-wide dissipation might be under 1 Watt, with almost all of the time spent in whole-package deep sleep https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Processor_P-states_and_C-states. (But even an "idle" modern GUI desktop might not be idle enough :P)

– Peter Cordes – 2019-04-03T17:55:59.447

1@Sean There are fanless laptops on the market these days you know. Not with Core i5 of course, but still, a modern CPU is absolutely capable of running with a light load without a fan. – Dmitry Grigoryev – 2019-04-04T06:50:04.750

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If you have recently changed power adapter, it might not be providing enough power for the CPU to ramp up, which could cause the throttling you're experiencing.

That was at least the case for me last time I experienced these symptoms.

Atnas

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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2checked the battery (it's working as usual), tried it plugged in If the battery is charged (can charge even with a weak power supply if off) then there should be plenty of power. – Baldrickk – 2019-04-03T07:07:02.250

Due to a snafu at work, some people got the wrong power adapter. Their laptops were fine on battery, but ground to a halt when the adapter was plugged in. – minnmass – 2019-04-03T18:26:39.407

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I experienced this a few months ago on an older Dell laptop. Tried a new power adapter, updated BIOS, drivers, Windows, etc.

Try taking out the battery and boot it with just the power adapter. This is assuming it is a laptop since it's a U series CPU. A bad battery will also cause the ridiculous throttling. The battery can be bad even if the machine doesn't report it as such.

pSyChO aSyLuM

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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Try updating your BIOS / firmware. I had a similar problem with an Acer Spin 15: The CPU ran at 0.8 GHz, which was the slowest speed it could run at.

The issue coincided with one of the big Windows 10 updates which made changes to power management. A firmware update was required to allow Windows to scale the CPU speed.

ligos

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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2This isn’t really an answer. It’s helpful, but it should be a comment. – JakeGould – 2019-04-02T23:31:51.283

JakeGould - why it is not an answer? It looks just fine for me. – Burre Ifort – 2019-07-30T15:59:02.237

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Some laptops have a quiet mode feature. It tries to reduce how much heat your computer produces and disables fans. On some laptopts it's controlled using the keyboard. It's easy to accidentally enable if it's one of the function keys alongside volume control, screen brightness, keyboard backlight, etc.

If it's not controlled by the keyboard then it's possible that it's a BIOS setting.

Your CPU is capable of running at variable clock speeds. The frequency is usually some multiple of 400 MHz or 800 MHz on consumer Intel machines. This mode locks the clock speed to its minimum value. It is supposed to make the computer draw less current and thus run cooler. (Of course with the fans disabled it won't stay very cool.)

I'm not sure if the setting can be disabled by software. From my experience with this issue on Windows 7/8 the only way I could disable it was using the keyboard.

You should also restore other power settings to their default values after toggling "quiet" or "fan-less" mode. There are power settings in Windows that will similarly throttle CPU speed to reduce power consumption. (Such as the "system cooling policy", which can be set to either active cooling (fans) or passive cooling (throttling). I think in active cooling mode both fans and throttling are used but throttling is only enabled if your computer runs hot even with fans active.)

You can see similar throttling (normally temporary) if your fans are broken or don't work well. Assuming the clock speed is stuck at one frequency (even immediately after booting when the computer is still cold) and that the CPU temperature sensors seem to work, then it's probably because quiet mode is enabled.

Future Security

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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1IMO 400 MHz is way too low even for the quiet mode.My i5 laptop only starts the fan if the CPU has been running @1.6GHz or more for a while. – Dmitry Grigoryev – 2019-04-03T09:48:11.367

400 mHz is 400 millihertz, 0.4 Hz. That is extremely slow. Babbage's machine might have been able to compete with that. 400 MHz (400 megahertz) is more likely.

– Peter Mortensen – 2019-04-03T12:04:42.557

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Same problem here on a new x270 with Debian 10 and Windows 10. But only with one particular battery. So I'll leave a comment/answer here for others experiencing the same issue.

On Windows, I created my own power plan and that seems to kick it into action.

On Debian 10 using cpupower to set the governor made no plan. Only when I plug into ac power and then unplug (or leave it plugged in) does it speed up.

This small script boosts it out of the 400Mhz speed but it's not ideal. On ac no problem at all.

# Determinate CPU capabilities
MAX_CPU=$(cpupower frequency-info -l | tail -n1 | cut -d' ' -f2)

# Disable "BD PROCHOT" 
wrmsr -a 0x1FC 262238;

# Set and apply frequencies
cpupower frequency-set \
  -d $(expr $MAX_CPU / 2) \
  -u $MAX_CPU \
  -r \
  -g performance; 

RichieHH

Posted 2019-04-02T08:02:32.257

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