Is it possible to connect an USB-A PC to an USB-C hub over an adapter?

A bunch of details:

the USB hub is built in a display Lenovo ThinkVision P27h
everything works as expected when a laptop is connected to the display over USB-C 3.1 port on both sides: power delivery for battery charging, video input and 4 USB-A ports HUB
another PC is a desktop with USB-A 3.0 and it's connected to the display with HDMI
I'd like being able to easily switch between the desktop and the laptop (using one at a time obviously)
the USB-A data fallback on the display's USB-C port can be assumed working. Nothing in user manual about this but it's confirmed by users over here with an USB-C to USB-A cable
it's not as convenient to switch two separate cables on the display side as it would be to use a single cable with and connect it to either the laptop directly or with to the desktop over an adapter

The question: is it possible to use a regular USB-C to USB-C cable with and USB-C female to USB-A male adapter to have the same setup as with a direct USB-C to USB-A cable? How to choose the right adapter?

I've tried one adapter alredy and it doesn't work. Was it just a bad choice or such a setup simply won't work?

To add one more details. The desktop has one USB-C port as well, although of version 3.0 not 3.1. I thought the USB-C 3.1 cable simply fit into it and all would work without any adapters (for the USB hub purpose only, of course). It appears that the USB-C 3.0 port differs from the 3.1 as the plug is too loose to stay in it. Just falls out and doesn't work at all. Is it expected? Can the USB-C 3.0 be helpful anyhow for setup I'd like to achieve?

topr

Posted 2018-05-21T21:03:34.660

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"another PC is a desktop with USB-A 3.0 and it's connected to the display with HDMI" - please elaborate what do you mean here. Is the display connected to the desktop via HDMI dedicated ports/cable? Why USB-A enters the picture? – Ale..chenski – 2018-05-22T05:17:00.640

If the desktop PC is connected via HDMI cable, and laptop is connected via Type-C cable, why don't you simply use the "Switch the video input source" function on the display? Or do you want the USB hub to function on desktop PC as well? – Ale..chenski – 2018-05-22T05:37:33.650

@AliChen, yes! The last sentence of the last comment of yours - that's exactly what I meant. I should've written a step by step use-case scenario in my question. Desktop remains always connected over HDMI and input selection is the thing. Desktop has it's own power cord too obviously. What needs to be re-attached when switching between laptop and desktop are USB peripherals. So I'd like being able to do it with a single cable utilizing display's USB hub. Ideally with the same cable plus adapter for the desktop as the port on the back of the screen is less reachable than ports on the devices. – topr – 2018-05-22T12:01:42.380

Answers

After reading the question few times and looking into the linked thread, the answer is: No, you can't achieve the same functionality as laptop on your "desktop PC", even if it has Type-C (or other USB3) port. The reason is as follows:

Your laptop Type-C port shows functionality of both video and USB3.0 hub when connected to Type-C port on the display. It means that the laptop supports full-featured extended Type-C function, aka "DisplayPort Dock": it has full USB3 (using two differential SS lanes), and two-lane Display Port connection, all over the single Type-C connector. For information, full-featured C-C cable can use four super-speed differential pairs for this purpose.

Your desktop PC doesn't have this "combined" USB+DP feature, it has only vanilla USB 3 ports, both of Type-A and Type-C. None of this ports supports DP function, that's why the display won't work with Type-A to Type-C cable, nor with CC cable. In both cases however you should have the hub functionality, but not video.

The fact of USB-C port being loose has nothing to do with display/USB function nor with USB 3.0 or 3.1. Older (and in general) Type-C receptacles are flaky, loose, and there was some ECN for improvements in spring retention functionality of the shroud, if I recall correctly. Nowadays there is another addition to Type-C connector, connectors with retention screw(s) to solve this general mechanical problem.

In short, the function of simultaneous switch of display and hub using one Type-C cable is impossible with your current desktop PC.

Ale..chenski

Posted 2018-05-21T21:03:34.660

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Thanks for taking your time in reading my, apparently not so clearly stated, question and giving the answer. I was fully aware there is no way to achieve the same full functionality on a single cable. What I'd like to achieve with the desktop PC is connection USB-C (display) to USB-A (PC) ONLY for the display built-in USB hub so I wouldn't need to re-attach multiple cables each time for all the peripherals (mouse, keyboard, etc.). Video signal is not an issue. Desktop is already connected over separate HDMI cable so just a matter of selection an appropriate input via display's control menu. – topr – 2018-05-22T11:49:25.423

Speaking about USB-C 3.0 port on my desktop PC. I wasn't sure if the socket is different by design or is it some flaw. It seems it's the latter according to what you've said. It's a pity as no adapters at all would be needed achieve what I'd like - assuming the display's USB-C is capable of operating in data only mode for the hub while the video goes via other input like HDMI – topr – 2018-05-22T12:05:53.653

@topr, technically there could be an adapter. There are USB devices of "USB Video Class", who are a sort of stand-alone videocards. They take USB3 protocol, and generate display output. So one can have a dongle with a hub, have this DisplayLink USB device, and then combine its DP output with another hub port within the same Type-C connector, making it like "Display Dock", just as your laptop does. Type-C is just a connector, it can carry many functionalities, and all depends on what is designed into the host end. – Ale..chenski – 2018-05-22T16:45:37.627

Thanks, but I'm not trying to run video over USB while connecting to the desktop PC as it's already connected with HDMI. I'm only trying to find out how to make the display's built-in USB hub to work given display has only USB-C upstream port and the desktop has only USB-A ports. I would like to know should the hub work (mouse, keyboard, etc.) if I connect it with USB-C to USB-C cable with an USB-C female to USB-A male adapter on the desktop side. – topr – 2018-05-23T17:07:23.183

1@topr, the built-in hub in your display should just work with any properly made USB-A to USB-C cable. – Ale..chenski – 2018-05-23T19:00:07.437

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Possibly yes. https://cforcedesign.com/products/cf120-central-hub-video-processor-for-cf015c-cf012s however it says

The CF120Pro only works for CF015C and CF012S

Also it has a fan.

Try and report back?

chx

Posted 2018-05-21T21:03:34.660

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While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review

– davidbaumann – 2019-12-13T08:38:00.173

What more is there to be said? It's called the CF120Pro and it does what OP wants it to do if it is doing what it is doing in a standards compliant way. – chx – 2019-12-13T19:14:57.080