Ah thanks ALENGOSVIG1 for saving them in .jpg
Here you see some pic`s of what Ap crackers can do with a tree http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/TREE1.jpg

http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/TREE2.jpg


http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/TREE3.jpg

http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/TREE4.jpg


http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/TREE5.jpg

The Ap crackers where loud as hell there where made from PVC,and one whas made from coper.
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[This message has been edited by DarkAngel (edited March 31, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by DarkAngel (edited June 13, 2001).]

What is that thing to the left of the tree?

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Check this out www.stileproject.com (http://www.stileproject.com)

It`s a piece of tape.It whas put around the tree to hold the cracker on it`s place.

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Looks good Darkangel.Do you know how many grams of AP were put into the PVC pipe?
Demolition

Demolition:I don`t now how many grams Ap the pvc pipe contains.
But the pvc pipe whas about + - 15cm long i think(I think that`s about 6 inch long)

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[This message has been edited by DarkAngel (edited March 14, 2001).]

Poor tree http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif "Trees doesn't arm people why would I hit a tree" (Karate kid II).

Can you show me the pictures? Or better send it pleas by E-Mail.
thx

Sorry i deleted the pic`s from my ftp but i uploaded them again.
I have more pictures but i need a program to save them in .jpeg format

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You can save .bmp's to all kinds of formats including .jpg. and .jpeg using MS Paint (it comes free with Windohs".

Then you can send it me, or?

Here are some more pictures.

http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/BRICK1.jpg

http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/BRICK3.jpg

http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/BRICK2.jpg
Here you see what an Ap cracker did on 2 brick`s
http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/CARTRI1.jpg

http://www.section1.f2s.com/Pictures/CARTRI2.jpg
See the large hole in the thin?
One of those little bastards did that
the thin had 8 little holes,one big hole and 24 dents all from the shrapnel from one .45 cartridge

For more pictures visit my site.I just uploaded them
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[This message has been edited by DarkAngel (edited March 31, 2001).]

Hey guys i just uploaded some more pictures on my site Check it out

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Well an "AP cracker" is a cracker (a firecracker) with AP. Just do a search and you will find something good, I'm sure.

MAD! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

Note to self: I must ne more careful with AP.
Note to self: Don't use metal casings for AP confinement.
Note to self: Stop making notes to self.

Hey ...Dark Angel. Try HMTD instead of AP. It is more powerful than AP. and also tell me after u filter out the AP from the solution (Acetone, H2O2, H2SO4) how do u treat it before u store it and how long do u store it.

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I already know that HMTD is more powerfull,
I wash my AP a few times with water and i let it dry.

You could also find it if you did a search

(Damn i first thought you where Ez"E"kiel but your Ez"I"kiel it's confusing)

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NO! HMTD is not always more powerful than AP. If you DO NOT press both compounds than HMTD will have a higher VoD. but if you press them both to roughly 1.15 G/cm then AP will be more powerful, and will make the better cap. the reason why people think HMTD is more powerful is because people rarely press there initiators.

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I have a suggestion ...as far as the washing goes, I used to wash the AP with only H2O but in about 10 days I used to get a sour acidic smell and the AP would get quite moist on its own. So now after u filter it out wash it or better yet shake the crystals in a saturated solution of NaHCO3, vigourously, Then filter it out and dry it. U probably won't believe me but I have stored batches of up 150 gms for well over 4 months at room temp (~35-40*C)with no considerable reduction in power. And it also doesn't get unstable. I think the H2SO4 probably remains in the crystaline lattice of the AP causing internal decomposition over time but treating it with NaHCO3 neutralizes any acid. Do the same for HMTD.And Let me know if anyone is intereasted in AP putty.

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what is NaHCO3

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never mind, i figured it out
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[This message has been edited by madog (edited June 20, 2001).]

What is NaHCO3?

sodium hydrogenocarbonate
Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2 --> 2NaHCO3
More known is the solubilisation of unsoluble calcium carbonate via its soluble cousin hydrogenocarbonate salt...that's the way caves are forming!
CaCO3 + H2CO3 (H2O +CO2) --> Ca(HCO3)2

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NaHCO3 = sodium hydrogen carbonate = sodium bicarbonate = baking soda

Na2CO3 = sodium carbonate = washing soda

Hey, i got a few pics of ap crackers, the damage they did, and shrapnel from them. Do you guys want me to post them.

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Of course!

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sorry guys i have my pics stored at yahoo geocities. and somehow they have it so i can't use my files off of their server

but you can see them by clicking here:
http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/madog555/lst?&.dir=/pics&.src=ph

[This message has been edited by madog (edited June 21, 2001).]

Damn! 1 22 did that to a can?

yes mark, but the can on the right was full of soda when i taped a .22 Full of AP to it. however the one on the left was empty when i threw a .22 full of AP in it.

shrapnel.jpg: How hard did you press the AP into the .22LR casing? I did the same thing and I pressed it until the case expanded. I achieved to press 0.35g into it. It expanded from 5.8 to 6.5mm outer diameter --> 1.2g/ccm. I placed it in a tin can. After detonation the can was perforated with many small holes.
I can hardly believe that your soda can was blown up that way with a charge that only ripped open the casing and not "granulated" it.

I forgot to say: I couldnt find any piece of the casing that was bigger than 1mm (except the bottom).

About the picture that i posted
from the large thin,

It whas also perforated with many
small holes it's amazing that such a small
container (.45) can make so much holes and dent's

Pyrex: Do you mean that you
pressed so hard that the case of the .22 cartridge expanded?
I don't get that?


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I don't beleve you forced AP into a shell so hard that it expanded .7 mm! I dont think that would be easy to do even without an explosive in there, if you press that hard on AP you put yourself in the way of alot of hurt! I have never of put more than a couple of pounds direct pressure on AP and to do what you described to a cilinder you would have to put enough pressure on the AP detonate it.

I dont care if you believe me or not, but I can assure you that everything I post is true (or at least Im convinced of it). And since Im new here and you dont know me I will forgive you about that statement. Ok, to get back to topic: of course I am aware that it would do alot of hurt if you have thousands of tiny pieces of brass inside your body. Thats why I first of all, to make an ignition more unlikely greased the casing and the bolt. Then I have constructed a heavy metal shield all around the vice that I use to press the AP, further I was wearing ear plugs, a helmet and thick leather clothes, including thick leather gloves. I dont know how your AP is like, but mine never exploded when I pressed it. And as you can see, Im really pressing it hardly!

How is it possible to do that,
cartridges are made to hold alot of pressure?

And since your new you must
read some posts about AP
(this is just a stupid way to fil a cartridge with any primary compound)
and if you done that and still
think it's smart enough to make
those things that way
than your ask for it man.

(Don't think im just flaming you
this is for your own good)

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Pressing AP isn't a bad idea by any means and he sounds like he's got a safe method. The higher the density the AP is pressed to, the higher its VoD, but that amount of pressure isn't going to give any more performance! You may even run the risk of dead pressing it! (if that is possible).

Darkangel, the casing doesn't hold the pressure when the gun is fired, the chamber walls do that, the cartridge just expands out to the chamber walls.

I do agree that it does sound a tad excessive.

Thank you, Anthony!

DarkAngel:

1. I have read more than 1000 posts up to now. (then you'd know AP is very sensitive)
2. Why is this a stupid way to fill a catrige? because it could explode? Then please read my last post again!(beacuse AP is very sensitive)
3. "than your ask for it man" what should I ask for? (A quick death)

[This message has been edited by PYRO500 (edited June 26, 2001).]

I rather thought of a question like: "how to make a low-performance detonator?"

Hey, please dont get me wrong guys. I can understand that you are sceptical about posters with only a small number of posts as I also have got the impression that many people here are telling about dreams they never dreamt just to earn a bit of respect. But I am serious and I really know what Im doing.

If I had told you that Im pressing 3g of HCl-desensitized AP into a test tube by hitting it with a hammer then: OK, please flame me (and edit my posts). Probably I didnt say it clear enough for you PYRO500: what Im doing are serious scientific experiments and not... ...whatever you might think I do.

Or is there another reason for you to edit my posts? Is it my name? does PYREX sound kewl? I dont think so. If it does to you, then please tell me.

[I edit member's posts for semi-on topic messages and to give them an opetunity to get back on topic without taking up extra space)

[This message has been edited by PYRO500 (edited June 26, 2001).]

I just started a batch of ap using 500 ml acetone and 325 ml H₂O₂

I hope to use it all before the 4th of july and then make a really big batch and assemble tons of AP crackers http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

(For all the ppl i already said it to pyrex on icq but here i say it again)

2.So you have a super compressed
cartridge fild with AP,
You still need to remove al
the heavy metal sometime in order to detonate it right?
I wouldn't wanna walk with
such a thing to the blasting side.

3.With this methode it need's to go wrong sometime,even not fild the AP in a cap ppl have accidents with it.

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Yes imagine that he has it in his pocket near that part of the body that is very hot 37C http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif due to the body heat an overpressure or due to friction in his pocket while walking...a spark and...two new satelites in earth orbit!

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Sorry, PYRO500 but I really cant take you serious: first you tell me how sensitive AP is (although Im only experimenting with <0.5g), then in your next post your telling about a batch which will yield about 300g (!) of AP. That really gave me the rest.
And Philou: Im not sure, but I think that you ment me with "he". I dont agree with you. 0.35g exploding in your pocket (although I would never be so dumb to carry a primary explosive in my pocket) wont take a new satellite into orbit. BUT 300g exploding before one's face certainly will!

I never let my ap sit untill the reaction is over I filter it often, and I am still filtering it, I use less acid if I don't need it and now I am discovering that you can make a BIG batch and pour it into several small containers and it will form faster and bee more managable. you were talking abut putting enormus pressure on ap and that is VERY dangerous, filtering every once and a while helps keep the precipitate managable. also add as little acid as nessasary to avoid acidic AP. I never press my AP with anything besides tissue paper and I don't do that very hard. 300 G even altogether isn't much weight put on any area in the pile but ramming it into a shell is.

I agree guys !!! Pyrex that much compression is enough to set off Cyclonite or PETN. Anyways ... AP is sensitive but HMTD is slightly more sensitive and it won't blow up for no reason. 300 gms may seem a lot but AP is low density and it has a large volume it won't even blow up in sunlight. When Pyro said its sensitive he doesn't mean comparable to Glyceryl Nitrate sensitivity. Glyceryl Nitrate is Extremely sensitive. Drop sensitive. AP is not unless u pack it in that way. For that matter even neutral Glyceryl Nitrate sensitivity can be decreased to some extent by adding Acetone or Alcohol (Dry) to it. According to my scale NI3 is excessively sensitive, Glyceryl Nitrate (Glynite. I call it that)extremely sensitive, most primaries would be very to moderately sensitive, RDX - PETN sensitive.
Anyways u get the general Idea !! The compound AP that we r reffering to cannot be compressed to that extent ... it might be possible that u might have got some other compound or modified AP in some way.

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I have never read about an explosive being set off by compression. I still dont believe it and my opinion is proved true by every experiment I do. Could you give me the source of your information about RDX/PETN being set off by pressure?
"AP is not unless u pack it in that way" you mean, that AP is not drop sensitive unless compressed very hard?
No, Im quite sure that the compound I have is TCAP since Im using pure Acetone, pure H2O2 and pure HCl. Also, Im always cooling it carefully.

Pyrex I was compressing about 1/3rds of an inch in a AAA cell tube in a vice (I had a peg on one of the sides) and it blew up jamming my vice for good. Even that much compression wasn't enough to expand the AAA casing. And what I meant by packing in that way was ... the gel caps and my coke can experiment mentioned above.

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pyrex
rail track signals (detonators) use pressure to explode
petn you could say to does cos isn't it used in primers

Explosives not get set off by pressure! Try and squeeze a snap'n pop in pliers, does it explode? Now try that with a bit of AP, does it explode? does it mangle your hand? not only can pressure initiate some explosives (such as ap)it also causes internal friction in a powder that can set off the explosive directly. I think your method of measuring the expansion of the case is flawed to say the least and you never explained how you pressed the AP, it would take alot of pressure to do this and how did you measurethe diamater? that is the most important.

Okay, I have to admit: there are several explosives that would go off by internal friction (such as silver azide) but no one would fill a detonator with those.

Those snap 'n pop dont explode because of pressure but of friction. There's only a very thin layer of explosive on inert granules which rub against each other when squeezed. Yeah, I have tried it with a bit of AP. Guess what? It didnt explode! Guess another one: that's why I have started to discuss! Guess a third one!: even if it had exploded if wouldn't have mangled my hand. Do I interpret this correctly: YOU STILL DONT BELIEVE ME THAT I HAVE DONE THIS EXPERIMENT??? And that I have taken serious precautions so that in case of an explosion I wouldnt even feel the pressurewave?!? Thats not really a good basis for a constructive discussion. I have pressed it with a vice using perforated wood blocks to stabilize the case and the bolt. Why is it so important for you to know how I have mesured the diameter? Isnt the fact important that it expanded and how much? Probably you wont believe me (one more time) but I have used what everyone else would also have used: a caliper gauge. Surprised?

P.S. does your AP explode when you squeeze it in pliers? Id be scared to death when filling this stuff into crackers...

I have had AP explode in vice grips, I won't use pliers beacuse it allows the pressure to be transmitted back to your hand. Notice I put all the things I said in question form, I dont really wanna squeeze crystals of AP in pliers, but I did get some ap to explode in a pair of strong vice grips. pressing that hard is dangerous regardless, the ap can get set off from internal friction. and I asked how you pressed it to know what stresses were put on the casing, and you said you used calipers to measure .7 mm that is a bit difficult, there is usually a margin of error in reading those tiny little bars, also the case may have been bent due to uneven pressure on the sides making the shell less round thurowing of your readings when you measure the bent side, now lets get this topic back to AP crackers

Some one is going to remove a didgit trying to prove ap sensitivity.

As for ap crackers, auarium tubing would work quite well.

Anything that even gives a little bit of confinement would work well for an AP cracker (from pvc-pipe to a roll of cardboard)!!
Of course, the better the confinement, the louder the blast ...

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Im thinking of blowing up a small watermellon with an ap cracker. The cracker will be made of hanger tube. For a spectacular burst(nice sized pieces that fly everywhere) with low noise, how long should the cracker be?

HAHAHAHA, speaking of watermellon, a filmcan of ANNM works really good...watermellon mist. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif I even hooked my MS Dream imager up and got some real nice mpg's too. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

can we see them????

if you need space to upload them to, e-mail me satanic_lord@hotmail.com and you can use my server...this also applies to everyone else too, if you need space for documents, movies, pictures - related to the forum (or explosives in general) mail me

Yea, I've been doing some editing(poor at best) to remove all voices etc. but you still get a great shot. Have several actually, 2 watermellon shots, an under water 8oz ANNM shot(not to spectacular)and some ANFO/ANNM booster that floated instead of sinking http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif. I've converted to MPEG-4 and there are some dead spots and recurring sounds(although not to noticable) from where I had to clip, paste, reverse and such.

On another note...is there a place where there is a collection of such things as pictures, movies, etc. of peoples "endevours". Maybe that would be a good addition to the forum of possibly a website. Everything going to a single person for their discretion to include, legalities etc. Just some thoughts.

No one answerd my question! how long should the firecracker be? 2, 3inches long? Longer?

How the fuck should we know how long a tube of unspecified diamter, filled with AP at an unspecified loading density should be, to blow up an unspecified type of melon at an unspecified size, at an unspecfied stage of ripeness, into an unspecified number of pieces of an unspecified size???

Im sorry. Your right, Im being an ass.

I just made my first ap cracker! It was made from hanger tube. It was 1" long, and 3/8" internal diamiter. It was side fused. I didnt put much ap in it, but I presed it lightly to remove the air space. I lit it and threw it into a cardboard bucket full of water, but instead of sinking, it floated. It went off with a nice bang, loud enough to piss off the neibors. It blew a 7 inch long hole into the side of the bucket, and removed most of the water. Pretty neat.

Cool,Now try to put one between 2 bricks and see how they get blown into little pieces like on the pictures

But be carefull.

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Nah, to dangerous. My power test is how much water the cracker removes from a bucket. I wraped a cracker in duct tape for extra power,and I pressed it a bit. I atatched some weight to it so it would sink, and dropped it into a bucket. WHUMP! the bucket does a sumer sault a bout a foot in the air and sprays water everywhere. I was verry pleased, until I saw that the cracker had torn the plastic bucket.

Damn these crackers are powerfull! I put one in a 1 quart cardboard bucket full of water, then put that bucket in a 1 gallon bucket full of water. It turned both bucket into little paper pieces.

And today, I, made a huge guyser with a bigger firecracker. It was about twice the size of my usual cracker, and the tube was made of duct tape. I placed it in 4 cardboard buckets stacked into eachother. The cardboard buckets were placed into 2 strong plastic buckets. I atatched the cracker to a empty co2 cartridge. When the firecracker went off it shot water as high as my house, and dented the 12 gram.

[This message has been edited by mark (edited August 13, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by mark (edited August 14, 2001).]

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/mafsexplosives/Before1.gif
This is the hole before 15 grams of AP placed in a cardboard tube was inserted.Hole ~ 1 1/2cm dia,15cm deep.

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/mafsexplosives/After1.gif
This is the hole it produced.It's about 30cm x 30cm and 20cm deep.I know it doesnt look like much but sitting on top of the hole before it detonated was a 7kg tire.When fired it through the tire 1 1/2 meters into the air.Now thats what I call powerful.

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Demolition

Was there any damage to the tire?

Victim-From what I could see there was little damage done to the tyre.

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[This message has been edited by Demolition (edited August 20, 2001).]

I have pressed HMTD into homemade caps before with a LOT of pressure. I used a dowel and went slow with nice even pressure/ Stupid? Maybe, but I'm still here. And my caps had so much more velocity!

Never pressed AP too hard before, though.

I had produced my own AP crackers using 4mm drinking straws, they are taped at both ends, filled with .5grams of AP. I also press the AP in using a wooden match stick. So far haven't had any problems with the pressing the AP, although after trying it on 16 AP crackers I am feeling a bit worried.Does anyone think using a wooden matchstick to press primaries isen't a good idea?

Mark,

if you only use the wood end of the match, you`ll be ok, .5gm in a straw will at worst take some flesh of a finger (mostly bruising and the odd cut). i sincerely hope you wear eye and hand protection, tho for some reason i suspect you dont?
here`s what i do when i make mine if you`r interested.

1, a good mirror
2, a large transformer
3, motor bike gloves (pref Kevlar)
4, ear plugs
5, life insurance (optional) :)

outside on a non windy day or in a thin walled shed with doors open, put the large transformer on a desk/work area.

place the mirror opposite this so that you can see what your hands are doing behind the transformer
ie/

you ----> transformer ---> Mirror

between the transformer and the mirror you do your work filing the TATP into yer tube :)
if the shit hit the fan, you`de have a broken mirror stinging fingers and a good tale to tell (the important part!)

i needn`t explain what the goggles and gloves are for :))

as for yer watermellon, well i use the tubing from telescopic antenas (the sort on kids walkie talkies) i esstimate a 5 to 7 cm x 6mm charge should more than see that pesky little mellon off :)

try half the amount 1`st tho :)

Thanks for the advice. The only time I wear hand and eye protection is when handleing with hazardous chems like acids. From now on I'll have my goggles, a pair of gloves, and earplugs, and maybe even a face shield.