View Full Version : New weapons used in Lebanon
hieronymus
August 10th, 2006, 05:33 AM
I got this from serious source and would like to hear the opinion of the freaks:
By now are countless the reports, from hospitals,
witnesses, armament experts and journalists that
strongly suggest that in the present offensive of
Israeli forces against Lebanon and Gaza 'new weapons'
are being used.
New and strange symptoms are reported in the blessed
and dead.
Bodies with dead tissues and no apparent wounds;
'shrunken' corpses; civilians with heavy damage to
lower limbs that require amputation, which is
nevertheless followed by unstoppable necrosis and
death; descriptions of extensive internal wounding
with no trace of shrapnel, corpses blackened but not
burnt, and others heavily wounded that did not bleed
Many of these description suggest the possibility that
the new weapons used include 'direct energy' weapons,
and chemical and/or biological agents, in a sort of
macabre experiment of future warfare, where there is
no respect for anything: international rules (from the
Geneva convention to the treaties on biological and
chemical weapons), refugees, hospitals and the red
cross, not to mention the people, their future, their
children, the environment, which is poisoned through
dissemination of Depleted Uranium and toxic substances
released after oil and chemical depots are bombed.
c.Tech
August 10th, 2006, 05:59 AM
You should put that in a quote and give us the source.
would like to hear the opinion of the freaks:
What’s that meant to mean? Were freaks? I think I know what you meant by that but try using a less insulting word or NBK could ban you.
Also you’ve posted this in the wrong section, I see your relation with "chemical weapons” and chemistry but it should go into the “water cooler” and in some cases "battlefield chemistry"
The symptoms could be various chemical/biological weapons, but if one sole weapon doesn’t cause these effects it could be a mixture.
EDIT: Forgot to add, you should read the rules before posting, the E&W forum is very strict and you could get banned in a heartbeat.
nbk2000
August 10th, 2006, 08:37 AM
I've seen the same videos, and they can all be explained by very mundane causes.
A) Death and subsequent decay in very hot and dry enviroments.
B) Exposure to blast weapon effects
C) Primitive 3rd world medical care
To wit:
Bodies with dead tissues and no apparent wounds (B)
'shrunken' corpses (A)
civilians with heavy damage to lower limbs that require amputation, which is
nevertheless followed by unstoppable necrosis and death (C)
descriptions of extensive internal wounding with no trace of shrapnel (B)
corpses blackened but not burnt (A)
others heavily wounded that did not bleed (B)
Any further questions will have to be directed from the afterlife of HED, because us 'freaks' are very sensitive about such hurtful statements. ;)
I'd also like to point out that the Red Cross isn't what they use in the middle-east, but the Red Crescent.
There's no oil in Lebanon, nor any reported use of Depleted Uranium. If any chemical weapons dumps are blown up, it's not because we brought them over there to poison the innocent arabs, but because their own leaders had them there already.
Oh, and US forces aren't there, but Jews, so whine about the Jews killing arabs, rather than thinly-veiled snipes at America.
Jacks Complete
August 11th, 2006, 07:44 PM
hieronymus boshed.
It wouldn't suprise me at all if the USA used the Israeli army to test new and wonderous but illegal top-secret toys that were probably/possibly only of marginal value (operational analysis wise), though. After all, the main reason for the Iraq war was oil and testing the armed forces out against something a bit tougher than the Afghans.
nbk2000
August 12th, 2006, 06:15 AM
At least the US has gone back to believing in quality control and testing to destruction. ;) :D
simply RED
August 13th, 2006, 03:19 PM
It is good that the new members like hieronymus try to work on new "cases".
Anyway, there are no new "military" weapons last years. Ammericans are working on some lasers (it is doubtful that the projects will ever be completed), russian on some new rockets and so on - but not significant progress.
The lack of progress could well be explained by the poor situation the natural sciences are nowdays.
The cases with these "suspicious" victims also have very conventional expalanations...
megalomania
August 13th, 2006, 04:28 PM
35 years ago the US fought the Soviets "by proxy" in Vietnam. Today we have the jews fighting the arabs for us by proxy. While there are likely many new toys for the troops to use, the sad thing is the average arab is still using the same weapons from the Vietnam era... As soon as I read this thread my mind screamed what nbk so succinctly listed as item C.
I still say the only way the jews will have peace is to kill every living man, woman, and child in the surrounding raghead nations. Once they win they can rewrite history to their liking. "Who knew," says the jew?
nbk2000
August 14th, 2006, 06:50 AM
It might be more like we are fighting as proxies for the Jews in Iraq, soon Iran, then...
dave101
August 15th, 2006, 10:33 PM
Why do you suppose the Israli's are having such a tough time? Back in the 80's they advanced all the way to Beirut with no trouble at all.
The newspapers are saying that it is because of advanced anti-tank missles, but I don't believe that is the only reason.
Jacks Complete
August 29th, 2006, 06:52 AM
Yes, fear of anti-tank weapons that can kill your expensive heavy tanks is a real killer of your motivation to advance.
Don't forget, if a tank rolled up to your local town, and started squashing things, you would be probably the only person there with a clue about how to stop it, and probably you would lack the means, until the army turned out. This is true even of an early WWII tank twice your age.
In an M1, the attacker could probably flatten most of the town without any risk of capture or being killed until seriously good weapons were brought in.
Now imagine doing the same thing in a bulldozer with 2" plate - you'd be watching for certain things, like SWAT arriving, as they could get you.
Finally, imagine doing it with a plain bulldozer - a local guy is likely to beat you to death with a thrown rock before you get that far!
Without the hi-tech anti-tank stuff the Isreali army could operate anywhere they wanted at almost no risk, much like the US army in Iraq.
There is another aspect, though. The Times had an interesting and long article about what was happening, and it seems that the Lebbo's guessed what the Jews were going to do, and acted acordingly. One quote was very funny. "We were expecting three men, an AK and a tent. What we found was a hydraulic steel door."
If the Isrealis had charged in full strength as a military invasion, sweeping all before them, they might have gotten a lot further. However, the locals had set up ready for small teams coming in at them, so had laid traps, and set up nice ambushes all the way around, with well defined kill zones, and trained men would knew how to wait before opening fire. The small and highly trained teams went in, and got cut up badly. Sure, they got about 3 to 1 kill ratio on the attack, but that's not good enough for a modern western army, and those were the best troops they had.
The Jews then sent in reservist troops who had no training, and things went further south.
The basic error was that they sent too few troops to do too much in too large an area.
Oh, and they also found out the hard way that the Lebonese had cracked the "secure" frequency hopping military radio, so were able to work out exactly what was happening and tell the world before the Isrealis, helping to win the media war.
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