Ever since I was a child, I enjoyed taking stuff apart to see how it worked, and got my fair share of injuries from it, too. But my new fascination is chemistry and explosives ( I have been watching too many Mythbusters episodes.)
GOD
I reasearched the entire Anarchists cookbook, but found it pretty vague and unbelievable. Now that it is summer, I have alot more free time to spend on my studies and projects.
DAMN
Anyways, to the point. I am wondering if anyone out there had any ideas for some simple projects I can work on? I've tried making some butane bombs and matchhead bombs without any luck. Ie made some gelled gas cubes, but I am still very inexperienced at this.
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I am sorry if this is considered leeching, but I think this thread could help out other beginners trying to work their way up to stuff like CANFO. To do something that large takes experience and hard work and study. This could help jumpstart some people, like me.
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Thank you!
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PS: No long FAcHOANA* equations without explaining what it all means, and how to make it easily.
BREAKS!
PPS: If I am being a complete retard in any way, please inform me. If not, I'll never learn.
NBK2000
*Not a real equation.

I would suggest looking into black powder, H3, flash powder, and then if you still have all of your fingers the giant AP(Acetone peroxide) thread . All you need to know on these topics can be located through the wonderful search function installed in the mesage board software.

First: Burn the Anarchist Cookbook and throw the ashes into the wind.
Second: get a good chemistry book.
Third: A good introduction to the topic is "The Chemistry Of Powders And Explosives" by Tenney L. Davis.
The book is floating around on the net.
Fourth: Don't perform any experiments you don't understand!

To your question:
Most people started with the production of Acetone Peroxide.
That's all i say about that stuff. Search the forum and you'll be
busy the next few days.

SAFETY FIRST!


EDIT:
I'm in good mood this morning, so here's the link to the book mentioned above:
http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_chemistry_of_powder_and_explosives.pdf

Yep. These forums are pretty much the tome of forbidden knowledge. Just as a tip, some people might not like your use of the word "bomb", since generally a "bomb" is something meant to destroy persons or property. I suggest the use of the word "device". However, that sensitivity is fairly rare around these forums seeing as how they are more directed on weaponry and armament.

Generally, explosives aren't bombs. This forum does talk about making them into bombs however. Still doesn't mean you have to use them as a bomb.

AP or HMTD seem to be the first explosives most people make these days, since they are just so easy to make. Search around and find some stuff for that. As you look, you'll pick up a bit here and there and after a while you'll have a good amount of knowledge built up.

Reading COPAE is a great way to start, if you want to get more advanced afterwards the four volumes of The Chemistry and Technology of Explosives are highly recommended. As well as this forum of course!

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I'm in good mood this morning, so here's the link to the book mentioned above:
http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_chemistry_of_powder_and_explosives.pdf[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. This looks like very good reading. :) Too bad I can't print it and bring it to work to read... People might start to wonder.

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In the future, when using the quote tag, be sure to use the closing tag of /quote, else no-one knows where your quote ends and your reply begins.

NBK

I too have read the cookbook and it is garbage. I have read other things before and some have been way over my head with chemical equations written out in latin [wtf] they were written in the 1790's (my former library had a copy). At the other end of the spectrum I have read some books similar to the anarchists cookbook which include no really useful knowlege of how the expirament is done.

One book that I read as a teenager that had an influence on simple explosives was called Diary of a Pyro google it if needed. It shows some reprocussions of stupid things done and how they were perormed.

If you are looking to very beginner "explosives" look into oxidizer and sugar recipies. These are mostly used for rocket motors but if manufactured a different way the have the equivilance of weak blackpowder and can be quite fun for a beginner.

http://www.armory.com/~spcecdt/pyrotech/doap/
Diary of a Pyro

a fun novel in your spare time

OK, so I've read a little, listened alot, and found out there are lots of differant ways to lose fingers / etc, and probably even more ways to do stupid things that newbies do.
So, (asking tenatively, cuz I just re-read 'the rules' ;)
is there a way to meet with somebody in my neck of the woods,
and actually be shown how to make AP, for example?
(hoping I havent inadvertantly committed a 'single strike' offense...)

No one here is going to show you how to do it.

To show someone, personally, how to make explosives, is what's know as 'Criminal Conspiracy' and a favorite trick of the FBI for getting easy busts.

I suppose I should ban you for even asking, but I'm feeling generous today. :)

Don't ask again.

OK, fair enough, I didn't know about the 'Criminal Conspiracy' thing, and I very much want to stay under the FBI radar.

After reading this forum for a while, I am very aware of the potential for disaster...
so I want to learn in a safe environment, with experienced teachers.
I just am not sure where to turn.

Perhaps a more appropiate question would be:
How can I safely learn more about the practical aspects of manufacturing specific compounds?
Are there clubs or organizations I can join?
Are there classes?

...snip
so I want to learn in a safe environment, with experienced teachers.
I just am not sure where to turn.
...snip
How can I safely learn more about the practical aspects of manufacturing specific compounds?
Are there clubs or organizations I can join?
Are there classes?

Study chemistry or get an education as a lab technican, would be a good start. Otherwise start with a simple chemistry set and learn chemistry and basic lab skills for yourself with simple chemical experiments and go to more complicated and elaborate things if you master the basics.

There are clubs and seminars for pyrotechnic hobbiests and there are at least one company who offers classes for making your own solid rocket fuel and your own rocket engines with Ammonium Nitrate in the USA.

And there are numerous good technical books on the subject on pyrotechnic and explosives.

My guess is there will be nobody who will take you by your hand and show you how to make 'k3wl bombz' in your kitchen. And I'm sorry there will be also no 'k3wl bomberz club' in the area near you.

You have to learn how to walk by your own.

I don't think there is anywhere you can go to learn about the manufacture of explosives, outside of an explosives plant or military weapons lab.

So, if you REALLY want to learn how, get excellent grades in school, never get arrested for ANYTHING, get a masters or PhD in college in chemistry and physics, and then apply. :)

That's the route Mega is taking. He's on step 3 of 4.

good suggestions, but let me give just a little more info...

Study chemistry
I have, and am still learning

or get an education as a lab technican, would be a good start.
I work in a lab.

My guess is there will be nobody who will take you by your hand and show you how to make 'k3wl bombz' in your kitchen.
I have no interest in that sort of childishness.

So, if you REALLY want to learn how, get excellent grades in school,
I have.
never get arrested for ANYTHING,
I haven't.

get a masters or PhD in college in chemistry and physics,
I'm working on it.

And I need to edit a sentence from tomu's reply:
And there are numerous...
...dead people that thought they could learn safely by reading...
good technical books on the subject on pyrotechnic and explosives.

You have to learn how to walk by your own.
Hhhmmm... well, maybe... but I didn't learn to drive a car on my own,
and I didn't learn to handle a gun on my own...
but, I suppose I could try to learn explosives on my own...:rolleyes:

Seriously though, thanks to all for the constructive advice.
If I do find what I'm looking for, with the Admin's permission, I will post that info.

Sounds like PiSing is looking to lose fingers, a hand or worse.

"So, if you REALLY want to learn how, get excellent grades in school, never get arrested for ANYTHING, get a masters or PhD in college in chemistry and physics, and then apply."

I'm recently in the last step, but it seems the most difficult :) .

Hhhmmm... well, maybe... but I didn't learn to drive a car on my own,
I do that on my own.

and I didn't learn to handle a gun on my own...
I do that on my own.

but, I suppose I could try to learn explosives on my own...
Off course you can, I make black powder composition successfully on my own 22 years ago without any guidance, the only information I have was
KNO3 75%, S 10% and C 15% from encyclopedia without process and method.
Now you are so lucky that can access to this information and precious process from internet, especially this forum. Good luck for exploration to this
fantastic hobby.

Some people benefit tremendously by reading, but others are visual learners and need to “see” or “do” to learn effectively. I can offer you this: If you don’t read anything, you most certainly will be in trouble. One of my favorite jokes is “a few hours in the lab can save you an hour in the library.” For the dense that is a take on the saying “an hour in the library can save you a few hours in the lab.”

There was an excellent article in Scientific American, the current August issue I believe, about learning. I will have to get the article again, but it explained how studies seem to indicate there is no such quantifiable aspect as being a “genius.” Rather there is the 10 years rule, which stipulates it takes about 10 years of concerted study to master any field. They believe musical prodigies like Mozart achieved such marked excellence simply because his father began his musical tutelage at an extremely early age. Apply the ten year rule to him and you can see how it would appear he was phenomenally superior because he achieved his mastery at such a young age.

There is nothing better than formalized instruction. The autodidact route is more difficult, but there are many people who do it. You are your own best teacher because you can tailor your own curriculum to suit your strengths and weaknesses.

For obvious reasons, and I hope everyone knows what those obvious reasons are, formal instruction in explosives is hard to acquire. The military is your best bet, mining engineering companies are the second favorite, and certain research institutions are your third.

Might want to check out the University of Missouri at Rolla as they have a big time Mining Engineering section at Rolla. They do teach Mining Explosives there if you'ed like to be a "Powder Monkey".

Thank you.
I've heard they have a great program.

But I already have knowledge in the handling, storage, transportation and use of ANFO, Dynamite and C4,
and experience with hard rock mining, shaped charges, metal cutting, etc.

And as a kid, I made rocket fuel and black powder using my chemistry kit.

As I mentioned before, I am very well aware of the potential for disaster when making one's own from a recipe book.
And despite juvenile references about the nuances between "spoon" and "breast",
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and cavalier attitudes (accompanied by poor english) like "I do that on my own" (i.e.: learned by myself),
I have no intention of trespassing in those waters without an experienced guide.

When I was learning vertical angle rock climbing, my mentor told me:
"There are OLD climbers, and there are BOLD climbers.
But there ain't any OLD BOLD climbers".
Maybe it's just me... but this field would seem to lend itself to that kind of caution.

Comments?

PiSing is PISSING me off with the attitude.

Asking to meet someone from an internet bulletion board about improvised weaponry for the purpose of showing you how to make explosives, when both parties are unlikely to be legally empowered to do so, is the height of stupidity.

Either go into the armed services, law-enforcement, mining, or pyrotechnician apprentiship if want to learn it legally, and if you're legally allowed to do so.

Otherwise you're a trap looking for suckers.

Good Bye.

Do, or do not, there is no try. How much hand holding do you need before you attempt something, jeez. By the way, you don't need to jump right in with making and using explosives. What is the first thing you do in undergrad chemistry? Its been awhile, but I think it is simple acid base reactions, precipitations, or something like that. You build from there. Start with firecrackers, blackpowder, move to shells, get better lab skills, then move on to bigger and better things.

The man sounds like he wants to start at the PhD. level without taking chem 101. Tsk tsk.

By the way, who taught the guys at NASA in the 50's how to build space craft? Who taught the astronauts how to walk in space? Who taught Lindenberg how to fly across the Atlantic? Who taught Kekule about the structure of benzene? No clue? That's because they figured it all out themselves, but only after learning the basics.

OK, fair enough, I didn't know about the 'Criminal Conspiracy' thing, and I very much want to stay under the FBI radar.


I find it hard to believe that someone as "educated" as yourself, has NO knowledge of 'Criminal Conspiracy'.

You're PISSING ME OFF TOO!

P.S. Smells like BACON to me!

Try this link:http://www.google.com

Hi

I have seen there is a lot of ways to make ANFO but i dont know how to get ammonium nitrate in its purest form.I use fertilizer that has loads of crap in it.

Can anyone help?

Sure, check out this link:

http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/search.php


Have you learned your lesson Raffikki ? And now trying to inculcate other users? :rolleyes:

On the subject of explosives education, I believe the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology has several courses about explosives. The ones that I can recall are Intro to Explosives Engineering, Explosives Engineering, Shockwave Theory, Detonation Theory, and Chemistry of Energetic Materials.

They also have an Energetic Materials Research Center and I think they employ students as interns. I am thinking that this will probably be where I want to go to college, which won' be for a couple years yet. This is their website if anyone wants to try and find all their classes about energetic materials and whatnot. http://www.nmt.edu/

That, ultrabuf, is where I want to go to grad school. Too bad it is in the desert; I like my lawn green, and my trees without thornes. NMT has the best program I have found for an explosives centric PhD program. They are affiliated with LANL too.

*sing song fashion* I'm a fed, I'm a fed, I'm a fed, I'm a fed, I'm a fed

You want to learn how to make explosives do you? Then go make some!
Find a simple synthesis( there are many listed in Megas' Chem lab), one that you have or can easily aquire all of the chemicals, and scale it down. As with any dangerous lab experiment, start small. If you have any basic lab skills about you you will escape with all of your body parts still attatched and some explosives to boot!

Once you have made your explosive, treat it with the respect it deserves, because the second you don't it will bite you in the ass. There is an entire thread(hope it didn't get lost in the server switch ) devoted to lab mishaps. Read them, Read all you can on the desired explosive so you know the nature of the beast. And here are some explosives exclusive lab precautions: no foul language within earshot of the product, no dirty looks within ear shot, only handle them when absolutly necessary, and last but not least, think happy thoughts you wouldn't want to die angry would you?

Cindor:

What can I say Im a quick learner!lol:D

If joining the military isn't your style just talk to someone in the military.

PS. Pissing should be BFL.

I'm in the process of reading as many archives as possible. If newbies would just try the fucking search tool they could find everything they need. Or they could just go to TOTSE and kill themselves so I don't have to waste my time reading their ignorant pleas for a spoon fed education.

PPS. Does anyone know what NBK does for a job? I'm guessing an obsessive-compulsive English professor. But he does good work.