nbk2000
February 17th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Symmetrical tetrachlorodinitroethane, obtained by the action of fuming nitric acid on tetrachloroethylene...forms crystals melting at 142� to 143� C...[and] is a much more powerful lachrymator than chloropicrin.
War Gases, Sartori, pg 163-164
Tetrachloroethylene, also known as perchloroethylene, is very conveniently available as an aerosol brake cleaner at <$3/pound (neat), in CRC Brakleen Brake Parts Cleaner[/brand name]. Got mine at Wal-Mart.
Obtaining Fuming Nitric acid shouldn't be a problem for anyone here, either. Wonder if an acid/nitrate mix would work...
Being a crystalline solid, as well as being 'much more powerful than chloropicrin', brings interesting possibilities to mind, such as absorbing it into silica gel and grinding it into fine dust for use as a persistant area-denial agent, same as the CS powder formulations.
No solvents were mentioned, but if there's any suitabily volatile ones available, then spraying would create microfine particulates as the solvent evaporated off, leaving the crystals suspended in the air.
Assuming that 'much more powerful than chloropicrin' means a 5x increase in potency, than that'd put 500gms of TCDNE at being capable of contaminating 50,000 cubic meters (the size of your average Wal-Mart. :)) to an insupportable level (10mg/CuM), which would likely be an order of magnitude higher than that needed to cause irritation to delicate soccer-mom membranes, thus starting a stampede in the herd.
And in the back of War Gases it's listed as a 'Toxic Irritant', which would, to me, indicate that it's at least as toxic as chloropicrin, if not more so, making it a lethal agent in a high enough concentration which, if it's toxicitiy is on par with its irritant capacity (compared to chloropicrin), would make it as toxic as phosgene (at least).
Not too shabby considering its humble orgins as break cleaning fluid.
The original articles would need to be reviewed to get an idea of the actual production procedure, yields, and toxicity, prior to proceeding with anymore suppositions.
Mr. Somosa, in his topic about dinitroacetylene (over at SM), came very close to seeing this but somehow missed it.
I did not. :p
[b]REF:
Ber., 1902, 35, 1529
J. Phys. Chem., 1919, 23, 578.
(CCl2NO2)2, MW 257.8
1mg/L=95ppm
1ppm=.0105mg/L
War Gases, Sartori, pg 163-164
Tetrachloroethylene, also known as perchloroethylene, is very conveniently available as an aerosol brake cleaner at <$3/pound (neat), in CRC Brakleen Brake Parts Cleaner[/brand name]. Got mine at Wal-Mart.
Obtaining Fuming Nitric acid shouldn't be a problem for anyone here, either. Wonder if an acid/nitrate mix would work...
Being a crystalline solid, as well as being 'much more powerful than chloropicrin', brings interesting possibilities to mind, such as absorbing it into silica gel and grinding it into fine dust for use as a persistant area-denial agent, same as the CS powder formulations.
No solvents were mentioned, but if there's any suitabily volatile ones available, then spraying would create microfine particulates as the solvent evaporated off, leaving the crystals suspended in the air.
Assuming that 'much more powerful than chloropicrin' means a 5x increase in potency, than that'd put 500gms of TCDNE at being capable of contaminating 50,000 cubic meters (the size of your average Wal-Mart. :)) to an insupportable level (10mg/CuM), which would likely be an order of magnitude higher than that needed to cause irritation to delicate soccer-mom membranes, thus starting a stampede in the herd.
And in the back of War Gases it's listed as a 'Toxic Irritant', which would, to me, indicate that it's at least as toxic as chloropicrin, if not more so, making it a lethal agent in a high enough concentration which, if it's toxicitiy is on par with its irritant capacity (compared to chloropicrin), would make it as toxic as phosgene (at least).
Not too shabby considering its humble orgins as break cleaning fluid.
The original articles would need to be reviewed to get an idea of the actual production procedure, yields, and toxicity, prior to proceeding with anymore suppositions.
Mr. Somosa, in his topic about dinitroacetylene (over at SM), came very close to seeing this but somehow missed it.
I did not. :p
[b]REF:
Ber., 1902, 35, 1529
J. Phys. Chem., 1919, 23, 578.
(CCl2NO2)2, MW 257.8
1mg/L=95ppm
1ppm=.0105mg/L