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flashpoint
December 27th, 2003, 05:53 PM
Curious to see, if it would be safe to carry ap crackers and other explosives in a military ammo case...you know the ones that fasten down with latches...I have a HUGE one that was used for transporting some type of big round...not sure what kind of round...but some old casings were in there, and they are huge...105's I think. I figured it would be safer than leaving them in a bucket or something in the car for traveling to a det zone...

McGyver
December 27th, 2003, 05:59 PM
Well since its made from metal... what do you think?

1. Static electricity
2. More massive shrapnel

does that answer your question?

flashpoint
December 27th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Well I figured since they carried 105mm ammo in it...that it must be safe...maybe I was wrong indeed.

PHAID
December 27th, 2003, 06:49 PM
The differance is that military munitions are made to be " GI proof" which basicly means they are made to take extreamly rough treatment without detonation.

C-4 is a good example, You can burn it shoot it and throw it around without much worry.
Yes you can make it detonate if you light it and then hit it hard but overall its very stable.

flashpoint
December 27th, 2003, 06:52 PM
Thanks...I'm pretty sure I won't use that box to carry explosives...might be good for supplies and other equipment for detonation though...

wrench352
December 27th, 2003, 10:22 PM
well,how would one transport caps to a test site?I had aways intended to pack them in sand in an 7.62 can,much smaller than flashpoints can.A shoebox or shipping tubes packed with sand.
Recently a fedex truck that was carrying blasting caps,for the military, was hit by a ford explorer,straight on the diesal tank,this was no minor accident.The caps were buried in sand in what appeared to be 55 gallon drums.Although some of the caps detonated,and the truck was destroyed,most of the caps remained intact.Im sure they werent using AP caps tho.

THErAPIST
December 27th, 2003, 11:31 PM
According to me military anuals, DDNP and PETN are the most commonly used things in military caps. DDNP is one of the more stable primaries though. Ever seen those nice litte bullet boxes? Caps are frequently carried in something like those (by mining companies). Its a plastic trey with holes in it thats slid into a small metal box. The caps are simply set in the holes in the trey.

I have kept Ap crackers in a thick ass (4mm thick) steel first aid kit. I had an AP cracker go off in the can once and the case got quite bent,,, so now if you cn imagine that if there were say... 10 more in there, the case owuld have become a box bomb.

flashpoint
December 28th, 2003, 12:11 AM
Caps are frequently carried in something like those (by mining companies). Its a plastic trey with holes in it thats slid into a small metal box. The caps are simply set in the holes in the trey.

That is exactly what I have...I had plastic trey's and some type of plastic cover for the actual ammunition.

wrench352
December 28th, 2003, 01:12 AM
In an ammo can,Id think more than two caps would be pushing your luck,with homemade AP or fulminate caps,but realistically,how many at any one given time could you really need.What about card board shipping tubes,the large variety or maybe an igloo cooler,again filled with sand.The igloo cooler seems the most practical.Plastic shrapnel can be as bad as metal.If you have to move a large number of caps at one time how bout a 5 gallon bucket,$3.00,filled to the top with sand,and sealed.It would be a heavy son of a bitch though,and therefore a whole new set of problems.

Anath
December 28th, 2003, 01:59 AM
I've always just used an old 6-pack esky (styrofoam cooler), with a block of styrofoam glued to the inside of it & 12 holes melted into the styrofoam for the detonators. I have a large lot of small polypropylene test-tubes (sampling vials?) i use as detonator shells, and I haven't had one go off unexpectedly yet. I doubt there would be much in the way of life-threatening shrapnel anyway. YMMV with metal detonators!

Blackhawk
December 28th, 2003, 05:22 AM
I use some of these ammo boxes to store commercial reloads for rocket motors, although I was also thinking along the lines of how if anything in them did indeed detonate they would probably just add to the shrapnel, as the lid is marvelously secured and heavy rubber seals make the things very air tight, perfect casing conditions. I suppose their idea is to stop the things in them detonating in the first place not to contain the explosion, for instance they could take quite a beating and are totaly waterproof, they also 'may' help keep things inside them safe when immersed in fire, although I think they would more likely turn into large mill-spec ovens.

Cyclonite
December 28th, 2003, 01:39 PM
A sand filled OPEN ammo can works great for transportation of smaller explosives. I have stuck a blasting cap in a closed ammo can and it busted open the sides and corner pieces of the can. The only reason to carry an explosive in a closed metal can is when the EMR hazard is greater than the HE hazard. The closed can protects the item from EMR.

flashpoint
December 29th, 2003, 03:07 AM
Thanks...I suppose I'll use a few buckets filled with sand. Maybe a painters bucket, that's about 1-2 gallons.