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June 21st, 2003, 11:40 AM
DBSP
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From: swe
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-07-2001 08:03 AM
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A few days ago I found a source of AN, a friend of mine has an uncle who is a farmer, he should have FGAN. I would have tried ANNM
if I would have been able to get Nitromethane, now I can't so I'll have to try ANFO or Ansoy.
When I'm writing this I've just finished reading all posts I could find on ANFO. It took me four hours.
There is two mixes I'm thinking of.
1) Ansoy
Ammonium nitrate-88%
Soy oil-7%
Aluminum dust-5%
2) ANFO
Ammonium nitrate-96%
Fuel oil-4%
I'm also thinking of decreesing the density of the Ammonium nitrate. Do I have to purify it since it it fertilizer grade?
I would like use about a 1 or 1.5kg charge
The mix will be confined in a paint bucket and detonated with AP or AP putty. I know that around 50g would do the job, but the question is AP or AP putty and in what kind of container?
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[This message has been edited by DBSP (edited July 07, 2001).]
mongo blongo
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Posts: 175
From: I live in a Creosote Bush!
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-07-2001 11:32 AM
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yea you will probably have to purify the AN coz it probably has loads of other shit in it. Is the AN in the form of pellets? i think this form has some coating which will have to be removed. It shouldn't be that hard to get NM, here is a supplier in the UK:
Flair Products Ltd
500 ml = £8.10
2 ltr = £28.38
1 gallon = £51.00
Carriage is £7 regardless of quantity, (within reason).
To order, send a cheque with a note saying what you want to:
Flair Products Ltd,
Holdcroft Works,
Blunsdon, Swindon,
Wiltshire, England,
SN26 7AH
That was from some dude in the forum (cant remember who)
I dont know about the AP/AP putty ive never worked with it coz i got better primers and i think it is quite unstable. i think a simple steel pipe would be a choice for the AP container.
zaibatsu
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Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-07-2001 12:54 PM
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Anthony posted that originally
Anthony
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posted 07-08-2001 06:59 PM
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He's from Sweden I think.
ALENGOSVIG1 might be able to give you some good info on ANSOY.
ALENGOSVIG1
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From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-08-2001 09:04 PM
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Ive experemented with the stuff before. You must remember to wash fertilizer grade prills with with alcohol to remove the moisture protective coating and remember to heat the washed prills in the over for minimun 3 hours. You must also wait 5 days for the soy oil to penetrate the prills. I weighted the AN and soy oil and put it all in a bax. mixed is around for a few secondws to make sure the oil was spread throuroughly throughout the mix evenly and left it undisturbed for 5 days. Its seems like alot of trouble compared to the conventional diesel mix but thr ansoy has superior cap sensitivity and it is more powerful. i used a very large detonator. 10 or 11 grams of picric acid and 20 grams of acetone peroxide were pressed into a film canister. For more information on ansoy, check my previous thread on it. and check out this link:
http://www.umr.edu/~boom/soy.html.
I have heard of people making anfo compositions with acetone. I have herad claims that it is more powerful than anfo but it evapourates too fast. i wonder if dissolving some soy oil (mabe some ng too) in acetone would made a mix that would work. ill test that out sometime this summer perhaps.
[This message has been edited by ALENGOSVIG1 (edited July 08, 2001).]
ALENGOSVIG1
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posted 07-08-2001 09:26 PM
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Capacitors are the best casing imo.
heres a pic of a few:
http://24.78.209.165/cap.gif
DBSP
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From: swe
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-09-2001 06:02 PM
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Thanks Alen I've read your post on Ansoy, it was very interesting, nice video to.The ANFO composition with acetone sound interesting,I might test it later this summer if I can find some info on it, I'll do a search on the net.
How many grams of AP did your Ansoy detonator
equil to?
Do you think that I should use the Ansoy mix with aluminium.
The capacitors, they are from something like a radio, right?
I haven't been able to reply, we've been out partying a couple of days now and I just got from an evening bike- tour to my testing-area I sometimes blow something to sleep better, tonight I settled with a couple grams of AP and a creatermaker!
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¤monte¤
ALENGOSVIG1
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Posts: 782
From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-09-2001 11:31 PM
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I'd say my cap was a bit overkill. you'd probally get away with 20 grams. but i'd use 30 - 35 grams of straight ap. cant you make some secondary like picric? The aluminum should work. i'd add the aluminum to the soy oil before adding to the AN if you are using prills. I dont know if household appliances have caps that big. I just bought them for 5 cents each at a electronics surplus store.
DBSP
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Posts: 32
From: swe
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-10-2001 11:55 AM
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I have a broken TV I belive there should be some big capacitors in it. I don't have the stuff to do picric acid, But I perhaps could get it. Lets say I had picric acid how much should I use for my planned 1kg Ansoy mix?
I'll call my friend any day now to se when I can get my AN so I'm planning on testing my charge within a couple of weaks. I found a spot that would be sutible. I took a stick and pressed it into the ground, it's wet mud. There will not being a problem digging so I'll probably make the hole about 1,2 meters deep, would that be sutible I'm trying too keep the nois down a bit because it's only about 2 kilometers the the nearest village. I don't think it will be any problem, I'm planning on shooting a few shots before and after so they think I'm shooting claypigeons.
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¤monte¤
ALENGOSVIG1
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From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-15-2001 08:38 PM
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The anfo definately detonated. If 30 grams of explosives can split a 2 ft diameter tree down the center when the charge is placed ontop without ant mud capping etc then ytou know something i dont.
New Member
Posts: 32
From: swe
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-07-2001 08:03 AM
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A few days ago I found a source of AN, a friend of mine has an uncle who is a farmer, he should have FGAN. I would have tried ANNM
if I would have been able to get Nitromethane, now I can't so I'll have to try ANFO or Ansoy.
When I'm writing this I've just finished reading all posts I could find on ANFO. It took me four hours.
There is two mixes I'm thinking of.
1) Ansoy
Ammonium nitrate-88%
Soy oil-7%
Aluminum dust-5%
2) ANFO
Ammonium nitrate-96%
Fuel oil-4%
I'm also thinking of decreesing the density of the Ammonium nitrate. Do I have to purify it since it it fertilizer grade?
I would like use about a 1 or 1.5kg charge
The mix will be confined in a paint bucket and detonated with AP or AP putty. I know that around 50g would do the job, but the question is AP or AP putty and in what kind of container?
------------------
¤monte¤
[This message has been edited by DBSP (edited July 07, 2001).]
mongo blongo
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Posts: 175
From: I live in a Creosote Bush!
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-07-2001 11:32 AM
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yea you will probably have to purify the AN coz it probably has loads of other shit in it. Is the AN in the form of pellets? i think this form has some coating which will have to be removed. It shouldn't be that hard to get NM, here is a supplier in the UK:
Flair Products Ltd
500 ml = £8.10
2 ltr = £28.38
1 gallon = £51.00
Carriage is £7 regardless of quantity, (within reason).
To order, send a cheque with a note saying what you want to:
Flair Products Ltd,
Holdcroft Works,
Blunsdon, Swindon,
Wiltshire, England,
SN26 7AH
That was from some dude in the forum (cant remember who)
I dont know about the AP/AP putty ive never worked with it coz i got better primers and i think it is quite unstable. i think a simple steel pipe would be a choice for the AP container.
zaibatsu
Frequent Poster
Posts: 412
From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-07-2001 12:54 PM
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Anthony posted that originally
Anthony
Moderator
Posts: 2383
From: England
Registered: SEP 2000
posted 07-08-2001 06:59 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
He's from Sweden I think.
ALENGOSVIG1 might be able to give you some good info on ANSOY.
ALENGOSVIG1
Moderator
Posts: 782
From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-08-2001 09:04 PM
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Ive experemented with the stuff before. You must remember to wash fertilizer grade prills with with alcohol to remove the moisture protective coating and remember to heat the washed prills in the over for minimun 3 hours. You must also wait 5 days for the soy oil to penetrate the prills. I weighted the AN and soy oil and put it all in a bax. mixed is around for a few secondws to make sure the oil was spread throuroughly throughout the mix evenly and left it undisturbed for 5 days. Its seems like alot of trouble compared to the conventional diesel mix but thr ansoy has superior cap sensitivity and it is more powerful. i used a very large detonator. 10 or 11 grams of picric acid and 20 grams of acetone peroxide were pressed into a film canister. For more information on ansoy, check my previous thread on it. and check out this link:
http://www.umr.edu/~boom/soy.html.
I have heard of people making anfo compositions with acetone. I have herad claims that it is more powerful than anfo but it evapourates too fast. i wonder if dissolving some soy oil (mabe some ng too) in acetone would made a mix that would work. ill test that out sometime this summer perhaps.
[This message has been edited by ALENGOSVIG1 (edited July 08, 2001).]
ALENGOSVIG1
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Posts: 782
From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-08-2001 09:26 PM
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Capacitors are the best casing imo.
heres a pic of a few:
http://24.78.209.165/cap.gif
DBSP
New Member
Posts: 32
From: swe
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-09-2001 06:02 PM
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Thanks Alen I've read your post on Ansoy, it was very interesting, nice video to.The ANFO composition with acetone sound interesting,I might test it later this summer if I can find some info on it, I'll do a search on the net.
How many grams of AP did your Ansoy detonator
equil to?
Do you think that I should use the Ansoy mix with aluminium.
The capacitors, they are from something like a radio, right?
I haven't been able to reply, we've been out partying a couple of days now and I just got from an evening bike- tour to my testing-area I sometimes blow something to sleep better, tonight I settled with a couple grams of AP and a creatermaker!
------------------
¤monte¤
ALENGOSVIG1
Moderator
Posts: 782
From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-09-2001 11:31 PM
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I'd say my cap was a bit overkill. you'd probally get away with 20 grams. but i'd use 30 - 35 grams of straight ap. cant you make some secondary like picric? The aluminum should work. i'd add the aluminum to the soy oil before adding to the AN if you are using prills. I dont know if household appliances have caps that big. I just bought them for 5 cents each at a electronics surplus store.
DBSP
New Member
Posts: 32
From: swe
Registered: JUN 2001
posted 07-10-2001 11:55 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have a broken TV I belive there should be some big capacitors in it. I don't have the stuff to do picric acid, But I perhaps could get it. Lets say I had picric acid how much should I use for my planned 1kg Ansoy mix?
I'll call my friend any day now to se when I can get my AN so I'm planning on testing my charge within a couple of weaks. I found a spot that would be sutible. I took a stick and pressed it into the ground, it's wet mud. There will not being a problem digging so I'll probably make the hole about 1,2 meters deep, would that be sutible I'm trying too keep the nois down a bit because it's only about 2 kilometers the the nearest village. I don't think it will be any problem, I'm planning on shooting a few shots before and after so they think I'm shooting claypigeons.
------------------
¤monte¤
ALENGOSVIG1
Moderator
Posts: 782
From: Canada
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 07-15-2001 08:38 PM
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The anfo definately detonated. If 30 grams of explosives can split a 2 ft diameter tree down the center when the charge is placed ontop without ant mud capping etc then ytou know something i dont.