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June 21st, 2003, 11:18 AM
Zero
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posted 12-15-2000 09:33 PM
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I've got about a pound of potassium chlorate that I got for dirt cheap. I've kinda been dicking around with it, doing this and that. I've read that you can use the stuff as an explosive, but how? It's an oxidizer, so I could just mix it with a fuel like sugar, right? Would a fuse light that, or do I have to get fancy and waste my blasting caps?
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MacCleod
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posted 12-15-2000 11:04 PM
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There are several different KCLO3 explosives (KCLO3/AN,KCLO3/kerosene,KCLO3/vaseline etc.).To the best of my knowledge,they all need to be shot with a cap.Also,they must be confined for a detonation to occur.
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Sgt_Starr
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posted 12-16-2000 09:46 PM
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Where did you Get the KCLO3?
Jumala
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posted 12-16-2000 10:37 PM
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A good and interesting thing it is to mix it with red phosphorus.
But at first the safety rules!
When you mix chlorate and phosphorus use only REALLY SMAL AMOUNTS like a matchhead.
NEVER MORE!
When you want to use more you MUST do this from far away.
The stuff is absolute incalculable and it can go off when the wind blows.
When I was 14, I put 3 spoons of ground chlorate and 1 spoon of phosphorus in an empty hanged up camping gas cartridge. Each on a side of the cartridge without contact the other.
Then I shaked it with a long fishingline ("remote control" ) and let it crash against a wall. I took 2 or 3 minutes befor it went of.
If you do so, take cover. The cartridge will be like shrapnel.
[This message has been edited by Jumala (edited December 16, 2000).]
Jumala
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posted 12-16-2000 10:43 PM
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I have forgotten something,
you can also mix it wet (with alcohol) This is save when it is wet. But when it dryes the recristallisation process can set it of.
It happens to me many years ago.
So I think the only save possibility to use the mix is from far away.
CodeMason
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posted 12-16-2000 10:47 PM
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As a low explosive (eek, wrong forum), one would just have to mix it with a fuel like FINE (250 or more mesh) powdered aluminium (2:1). This requires only a fuse to set it off and it one of the most powerful low explosives around, hence the name, "flash powder". There are many other low explosives you can make with it, but considering this is the high explosives forum, I will move on...
A weak plastic explosive man be made by mixing 9 parts chlorate to 1 part vaseline. This is less powerful than ANFO, but more than some very low grade dynamites. You could add some powdered ammonium nitrate to the mixture, which would make it HEAPS more powerful, but you risk the formation of a highly dangerous salt, ammonium chlorate. This plastic explosive can be detonated with a blasting cap or electric charge.
CodeMason
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posted 12-16-2000 11:07 PM
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BTW, I really like your "A Files" cookbook. It's almost as large as my "Book of Mayhem"! And it has just as many purdy pictures! Very impressive. It has a nice professional touch too. You've inspired me to rewrite "BoM" (BoM, get it, as in "bomb"? Ok, it was a bad pun, hehe). I'm almost finished revamping chapter two (Explosives), and there's gonna be around five or six chapters.
Keep up the good work!
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posted 12-17-2000 04:30 AM
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Chlorates by themselves detonate, but, total detonation, I'm sure, isnt possible.
Loading Density improves the plastique mentioned performance (1.3g/cc).
Read "Kitchen Improvised Plastic Explosives" its a good read about Chlorate explosives.
Pretty much every mix with Chlorates is detonatable, some detonate spontaniously, some if you breath on um, and some take a stick of 60% dynamite to detonate.
The IMH has a few Chlorate explosives, but it doesnt mention the density because its meant as a filler for military grade expolsives.
Chlorate/Sucrose, is sensitive to detonation and should be handled with care, its also friction sensitive.
It creates reeeal high pressures, but, slowly, so it requires heavy confinement.
Zero
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posted 12-17-2000 10:43 AM
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That potassium chlorate and vaseline thing works? I thought that was more Exodus bullshit. An electric charge, you say? What kind of amperage you you have to run through it?
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CodeMason
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posted 12-17-2000 10:11 PM
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I'm not sure, I never tested it with an electric charge detonator before. I just used my simple AP plastique detonators. I'm guessing a fairly large current...
Mr Cool
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posted 01-08-2001 02:01 PM
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Try mixing KClO3 with the same fuel mixture used in BP, in about a 3:4 ratio (sorry, but that's by volume. I couldn't be bothered to weigh it). Add a few % of potassium carbonate to neutralise any acid (makes the chlorate/sulphur mix a bit safer, but not much so be careful!), and then finish it by making a dough-like stuff by adding water, dry it and break it into little grains. It's much better than home made BP and can be set off with a detonator or fuse. It's more powerful with a det. because all the energy is released quicker because it's set off by the shock wave travelling through it, which is fast, rather than the spread of the flame, which is comparatively slow.
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posted 07-08-2001 04:18 PM
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People !! try mixing KClO3 with break fluid and setting it off with a cap. U can stuff the mixture into holes or cracks etc or whatever. Anyways it is more powerful than the Vasline mix and mixing almost any other explosive makes it more powerful except the insensitive ones. Picric acid and the waxy ones don't work. Unfortunately its is slurryish and not plastic.
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posted 12-15-2000 09:33 PM
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I've got about a pound of potassium chlorate that I got for dirt cheap. I've kinda been dicking around with it, doing this and that. I've read that you can use the stuff as an explosive, but how? It's an oxidizer, so I could just mix it with a fuel like sugar, right? Would a fuse light that, or do I have to get fancy and waste my blasting caps?
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~Zero the Inestimable
The A Files
{Link is a direct download.}
MacCleod
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posted 12-15-2000 11:04 PM
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There are several different KCLO3 explosives (KCLO3/AN,KCLO3/kerosene,KCLO3/vaseline etc.).To the best of my knowledge,they all need to be shot with a cap.Also,they must be confined for a detonation to occur.
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Sgt_Starr
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posted 12-16-2000 09:46 PM
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Where did you Get the KCLO3?
Jumala
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posted 12-16-2000 10:37 PM
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A good and interesting thing it is to mix it with red phosphorus.
But at first the safety rules!
When you mix chlorate and phosphorus use only REALLY SMAL AMOUNTS like a matchhead.
NEVER MORE!
When you want to use more you MUST do this from far away.
The stuff is absolute incalculable and it can go off when the wind blows.
When I was 14, I put 3 spoons of ground chlorate and 1 spoon of phosphorus in an empty hanged up camping gas cartridge. Each on a side of the cartridge without contact the other.
Then I shaked it with a long fishingline ("remote control" ) and let it crash against a wall. I took 2 or 3 minutes befor it went of.
If you do so, take cover. The cartridge will be like shrapnel.
[This message has been edited by Jumala (edited December 16, 2000).]
Jumala
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posted 12-16-2000 10:43 PM
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I have forgotten something,
you can also mix it wet (with alcohol) This is save when it is wet. But when it dryes the recristallisation process can set it of.
It happens to me many years ago.
So I think the only save possibility to use the mix is from far away.
CodeMason
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Posts: 457
From: Your Nightmares
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 12-16-2000 10:47 PM
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As a low explosive (eek, wrong forum), one would just have to mix it with a fuel like FINE (250 or more mesh) powdered aluminium (2:1). This requires only a fuse to set it off and it one of the most powerful low explosives around, hence the name, "flash powder". There are many other low explosives you can make with it, but considering this is the high explosives forum, I will move on...
A weak plastic explosive man be made by mixing 9 parts chlorate to 1 part vaseline. This is less powerful than ANFO, but more than some very low grade dynamites. You could add some powdered ammonium nitrate to the mixture, which would make it HEAPS more powerful, but you risk the formation of a highly dangerous salt, ammonium chlorate. This plastic explosive can be detonated with a blasting cap or electric charge.
CodeMason
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Posts: 457
From: Your Nightmares
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 12-16-2000 11:07 PM
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BTW, I really like your "A Files" cookbook. It's almost as large as my "Book of Mayhem"! And it has just as many purdy pictures! Very impressive. It has a nice professional touch too. You've inspired me to rewrite "BoM" (BoM, get it, as in "bomb"? Ok, it was a bad pun, hehe). I'm almost finished revamping chapter two (Explosives), and there's gonna be around five or six chapters.
Keep up the good work!
BoB-
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Registered: SEP 2000
posted 12-17-2000 04:30 AM
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Chlorates by themselves detonate, but, total detonation, I'm sure, isnt possible.
Loading Density improves the plastique mentioned performance (1.3g/cc).
Read "Kitchen Improvised Plastic Explosives" its a good read about Chlorate explosives.
Pretty much every mix with Chlorates is detonatable, some detonate spontaniously, some if you breath on um, and some take a stick of 60% dynamite to detonate.
The IMH has a few Chlorate explosives, but it doesnt mention the density because its meant as a filler for military grade expolsives.
Chlorate/Sucrose, is sensitive to detonation and should be handled with care, its also friction sensitive.
It creates reeeal high pressures, but, slowly, so it requires heavy confinement.
Zero
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Posts: 93
From: ...
Registered: DEC 2000
posted 12-17-2000 10:43 AM
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That potassium chlorate and vaseline thing works? I thought that was more Exodus bullshit. An electric charge, you say? What kind of amperage you you have to run through it?
------------------
~Zero the Inestimable
The A Files
{Link is a direct download.}
CodeMason
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Posts: 457
From: Your Nightmares
Registered: NOV 2000
posted 12-17-2000 10:11 PM
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I'm not sure, I never tested it with an electric charge detonator before. I just used my simple AP plastique detonators. I'm guessing a fairly large current...
Mr Cool
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posted 01-08-2001 02:01 PM
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Try mixing KClO3 with the same fuel mixture used in BP, in about a 3:4 ratio (sorry, but that's by volume. I couldn't be bothered to weigh it). Add a few % of potassium carbonate to neutralise any acid (makes the chlorate/sulphur mix a bit safer, but not much so be careful!), and then finish it by making a dough-like stuff by adding water, dry it and break it into little grains. It's much better than home made BP and can be set off with a detonator or fuse. It's more powerful with a det. because all the energy is released quicker because it's set off by the shock wave travelling through it, which is fast, rather than the spread of the flame, which is comparatively slow.
Ezikiel
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From: New Delhi, India
Registered: MAY 2001
posted 07-08-2001 04:18 PM
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People !! try mixing KClO3 with break fluid and setting it off with a cap. U can stuff the mixture into holes or cracks etc or whatever. Anyways it is more powerful than the Vasline mix and mixing almost any other explosive makes it more powerful except the insensitive ones. Picric acid and the waxy ones don't work. Unfortunately its is slurryish and not plastic.