Talk:Wastecrawler (3.5e Race)

Hu-whuh?

How is that worth a +3 LA? I'd seriously let this in with no Racial HD and definitely no LA. If someone insisted, the one Racial HD is sufficient. The only thing I can think of that's remotely amazing is the 6 arms, and, even then, fighting with multiple weapons imposes a ton of penalties. Even the Tremorsense isn't bad, considering the limited reach. Or is it a case of slapping LA on them because they're monstrous humanoid and ugly, and therefore there must be a penalty for any deviant who wants to play a non-standard character? -- Genowhirl 09:49, 7 January 2009 (MST)

It's a case of slapping on LA and HD because if a wastecrawler had no LA or HD, it could be a rogue 14/fighter 6 with greater multiweapon fighting at ECL 20 and deal 133d6 sneak attack damage with a full attack. --Daniel Draco 06:07, 8 January 2009 (MST)

Oh, and if multiclass penalties are used, ranger works just as well as fighter does for that. --Daniel Draco 06:08, 8 January 2009 (MST)

Compelling reason. Still, I'm uneasy about nailing an entire race with an LA because of one build. If nothing else, put it all on Racial HD. At least a character gets hit points and saves and skills from from that. There's a ton of effects which are HD-dependent, making this race a target for them when they have 3 HD less than the rest of the party. -- Genowhirl 20:58, 10 January 2009 (MST)

Hm. HD 2 lower than the rest of the party? Not too bad. I have a deep-seated aversion to the principles of LA, but I've seen some very awesome things done with LA +2 characters, which is just about the limit (otherwise another character's cohort would be packing more caster level/HD than you, and that's just...not good). On a side note, I apologize if I'm being brash. Every so often, my brain sends down instructions to "Open mouth, insert foot." -- Genowhirl 12:30, 12 January 2009 (MST)