Talk:Seamost Knight (3.5e Class)

Name

This needs a name change, a Knight class already exists in PHBII. -Sniper Joe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.16.112.143 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 5 January 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts.

What would you recommend? --Green Dragon 15:46, 5 January 2007 (MST)

Perhaps something that deals more with the fact it's built for mounted combat? -Sniper Joe 00:33, 6 January 2007 (MST)

Mounted Knight sound better? --Green Dragon 01:17, 6 January 2007 (MST)

Cavalry or Horsemen, actually how bout a Jouster? --Theophenes 18:20, 21 February 2007 (MST)

Renaming to Cavalier... (definition here). --EldritchNumen 23:23, 21 February 2007 (MST)

There is a Prestige Class by that name, which also happens to be pretty similar. --Mkill 03:49, 14 June 2007 (MDT)

What would recommend then? --Green Dragon 12:06, 14 June 2007 (MDT)

I would recommend Knight (Seamost). This Cavalier class is not really what I was aiming for, though I appreciate the input. As far as I'm concerned, it's a different class on a different development path.

If someone would like to help me rename my original page, that would be great. It's no longer a stub, as I'm rapidly fleshing it out. It is overpowered, however, and I'm looking for ways to tone it down. -- S1Q3T3 14:34, 18 December 2007 (MST)

It has been renamed. --Green Dragon 22:56, 24 December 2007 (MST)

Balance Issues

1. Unless the bonus feats column on the right is wrong, he gains more feats than a Fighter (up to 13 feats), plus the ride bonuses.
2. He has three good saves, vs. the Fighter's one.
3. Does Bull Rush work from a horse? Isn't that supposed to be trample anyways?

I don't know, it gives up flexibility, being as half the feats are preselected, yet none of the feats are really a disadvantage, but he gets 3 good saves and skill bonuses...

What do you think? --(Ronjun 19:51, 9 April 2007 (MDT))

First off I think this class is lacking in flavor and is overpowered. As you said above it gets more feats than the fighter as well as the ride bonuses, etc, etc. So, I am wondering if you would you mind fixing this class with the problems you mentioned above in mind and if you would mind wording this abilities so they cannot be broken. Would you mind? --Green Dragon 21:14, 10 April 2007 (MDT)

I'll work on it (Ronjun 21:19, 10 April 2007 (MDT))

Sounds good. --Green Dragon 21:23, 11 April 2007 (MDT)

Giving more feats than the fighter is no problem, the Fighter is well known to be on the lower end of the D&D power scale. Since the Cavalier has a stricter fixed set of abilities, it's no issue that the Cavalier would be more powerful. What you should do is move the free bonus feats down a few levels, Mounted Combat and a Ride bonus is enough for first level. --Mkill 03:49, 14 June 2007 (MDT)

Again, if you would like to edit this please do, after all it is a stub, and it needs a lot of work... --Green Dragon 12:06, 14 June 2007 (MDT)

Sooo...basically it's a fighter that picks your feats for you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ortin (talk • contribs) 12:31, 25 June 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts.

This is the feeling I get from the class. Right now, the seamost knight is a less capable fighter with some more skill points, less customization, fewer feats, and tight restrictions. The auto-selected weapons, feats, and abilities aren't particularly desirable other than leadership (which you usually want to take as soon as possible). I think a purpose needs to be decided for the class. The leadership feat, higher skill points, and name seem to paint it as a socially-competent mounted fighter with an aptitude for commanding. Finfreeze 02:07, 4 March 2008 (MST)

Gunslinger

What is the litany of the gunslinger? how is it related to this class? --Sam Kay 10:57, 19 December 2007 (MST)

The litany of the gunslinger is from a series of novels by Steven King called the Dark Tower saga. The Knight is rather heavily influenced by King's concept of a order of knighthood (which in the time of the novels use six-guns, but who originally fought with swords) who keep order and adhere to a rigid code of behavior, but are not, in the sense that the term is usually used in fantasy, honorable men. They are good men who get the job done; King has compared his hero to Clint Eastwood's "Man With No Name."

The use of a quotation or epigraph at the opening of a chapter or a book is a time-honored practice. Among RPG materials, WoD books use it extensively. The Litany is included because it expresses how the Knight thinks; passionate but calculated, heir to a tradition, trained and drilled in the arts of death to the point that fighting is like a meditation, complete with a mantra.

What do you think of the class itself as regards balance, flavor, etc.? Would you want to play one? -- S1Q3T3 13:33, 19 December 2007 (MST)

No, because I am too buisy playing a Spider Rider! I'll have a more detailed look later... --Sam Kay 13:59, 19 December 2007 (MST)