The Associated Worlds - minecraft

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As long as we have a Minecraft server, here's a place to talk about it.

So, just to kick this channel off, I figured I'd share some pics of the build I have on my family server.

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Looking down on the world spawn point, the central railway junction, and across it to my house.

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To the left, the stables and the big cube of sky stone I keep the nether portal in.

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"Strip-mining hell since day 302."

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Over to the right, we automatically feed the cattle, breed the cattle, milk the cattle, and slaughter the cattle. That pipe you saw on the front of the house? That's the milk pipeline.

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Big structure to the right and below the house is where we keep the coking oven and the tanks of creosote (for making rails) and distilled water (for the reactor), courtesy of the solar distiller on the roof.

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A boiler in back burns off the spare creosote as supplementary power for the electric trains.

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Railway station to the left. Don't really need the fluid injectors for the main line electric trains, but there're still a few steam-only sidings out in the world.

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Boathouse out beyond the railway station, complete with pier and automatic fishery.

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Automatic sheep farm with random golem on the left side of the stairs to the house.

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Main entrance, with magic lights.

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My office, complete with main node of the computer network, bookshelves, tool racks, writing desk. Viaduct on the left goes everywhere else.

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Upstairs, the bedroom, with maps.

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And the kitchen, with appliances.

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Left of the house, the agriculture building, that controls the...

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...automated farms.

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Supplementary solar power cluster on the roof.

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Past the farms, the magic tower of magic things.

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Have you tried much Botania?

(And the Unnecessarily Phallic Tower, which is mostly a cobblestone dump.)

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Some, but not yet a huge amount.

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Inside of the Magic Tower of Magic Things.

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Fully-piped storage for every type of essentia ever.

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adds Thaumcraft

Thaumcraft is much fun.

On the one hand it's not maintained now, but it does look very cool.

I'd heard some new guys were picking it up.

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This just shows the wrap-around behind the MToMT, back to the reactor building and the workshop mostly under the house.

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NUKES NUKES NUKES

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Fat cable goes down to a power vault under the workshop, stuffed with batteries and transformers.

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We've got sawmills and paper mills...

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...rows of miscellaneous machines...

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...a central crafting area...

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...a rather snazzy display of everything stored in central logistics...

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....which is all kept in AE2 drives...

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...hooked up to the automatic smeltery of smelty goodness...

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...and the automatic crafting system.

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And finally, a quick close-up of the reactor fuel (re)processing room.

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END OF MEGAPICTURE SPAM.

The modpack for my server: https://github.com/osmarks/modpack-again The README.md explains the irritatingly complex install process. I will be providing an easier-to-manage zip file of the mods soonish to help with this. If you get it running, just connect to osmarks.tk.

osmarks/modpack-again

Contribute to osmarks/modpack-again development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Use https://osmarks.tk/mods.zip for a convenient ZIP of all the mods.

Overmind 03/04/2019 3:34 PM

Overmind 03/04/2019 3:34 PM

...and pinned.

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(Oh, and one more pic:

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Slightly Romanesque spa.

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)

Does any progression break if I enable wuss mode? I don't like taint. (edited)

I don't think so. (Disclaimer: but am relatively new to it. Picked it up about three days before the maintainer quit.)

So, what can we expect the server to be up?

check the pins

It is up.

The official?

or like ten messages up

15:36

I presume it's official, considering that it's pinned.

Well, you can use the mods.zip I provided, which makes it less annoying than mcdex.

15:36

I have asked the author for an install-from-manifest feature, which would help a bit.

can you run mcdex to install things by name from the command line?

Yep!

15:37

Modpacks on curseforge and mods.

worst case you write a bash/shell script :V

That's a smart idea, I could automate the annoying process of generating an instance, overwriting the manifest, and installing it.

(or is it called batch on Windows?)

15:38

(I dunno)

Yes, it is, but it's evil and I'm never using it.

15:38

Batch, I mean.

I've never tried it.

15:39

I don't write a whole lot of bash either—it's easier for me to learn to run bash commands from C# than to learn how to write the whole thing in bash.

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But you can probably do cat manifest | mcdex install $1 or something.

I mostly use bash when it's just "run some shell commands and interpolate a variable or two", and otherwise python.

Maybe you need >?

15:40

I don't understand it :V

mcdex can already kind of install from manifests; it just doesn't let you directly without a slightly annoying step.

One of them does stdin and one of them does arguments?

Not really.

I think?

thing < file is equivalent to cat file | thing. (edited)

is that backwards?

No.

it looks kinda backwards :V

15:42

The first one puts the file in the thing.

< file is basically "send contents of file into stdin ".

The second one puts the thing in the file?

> file would be "send stdout into file".

15:42

Oh, the second one is backwards, yes, sorry.

15:43

cat just reads the files it's given as arguments (or stdin) and sends them to stdout.

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Then you pipe that to thing.

cat is a programming language where every program is a quine

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cat_program

probably where I read it :V

I've contributed to this wiki with the amazing* idea of Embedded HQ9+: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Embedded_HQ9%2B

Embedded_HQ9%2B

yup

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very good

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I approve

It aims to dramatically simplify embedded system programming tutorials.

well they'd be simple all right

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Anyways, yeah, that's why I usually go for C#'s Process class.

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I think it's System.Diagnostics.Process? :V

15:48

Lets you start whatever.

In Python you can basically just do

import subprocess
subprocess.run(["program", "arg"])

if I remember correctly, which is nice.

Pretty much the same in the C# mode.

15:50

Syntax is marginally different, but it's the same otherwise.

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Process.Start("program","arg");

What version is the modpack?

Hmm, kinda quiet on this server.

16:16

Help, surrounded by zombies

Are these crazy modded zombies or just regular ones?

both.

16:18

angri and normal

Have you tried hiding in a hole and punching their toes?

Have you tried fleeing?

Does anyone come onto this server? it's quiet.

It's not that quiet, considering its size

I'm forever alone

I think a few things need to be ironed out with the modpack. There are quartz tools, yet there is also an ore that allows you to obtain nether quartz without going into the nether, removing some of the point of going to the nether.

01:22

there are also several other variants of quartz toolset existing in the modpack

01:23

Several variants of metal weapons from different modpacks as well. (edited)

(I still can't actually come on)

01:48

(I would come visit if I had a stable internet connection)

Server is playing up.

02:29

Wont let me in

@Unknown Works for me.

Dual meteors and a redwood forest and a village for some reason.

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It hit where I was as soon as I spawned

Nobody on still

Anybody? hello???

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What's more rewarding @Unknown

10:57

Building in survival or creative

10:59

I was starting to build a straight up castle on a mountain in survival before I died and respawned a long way away, giving up

Hmm, not much demand for a minecraft server.

@BizarroLand ♀ forgot to sleep in your feverish building spell, eh?

11:09

I think creative is interesting as you can explore factories, but in Survival you get the risks associated with doing so.

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(as well as not pulling an endgame machine out of thin air)

next java update adds better furnaces

*makes your computer a furnace

Blast furnace

Every update the performance gets worse and worse.

Oh yeah

14:56

I get very poor performance in the Nether

TPS? Who needs 'em?

Also RAM use.

15:04

The server I've got up has 3.5GB of RAM allocated to it (the actual dedicated box it on has 4... planning to upgrade eventually), and constantly just spends 30% of CPU whenever anyone's on, probably garbage collecting.

that's probably just Java :V

Older versions did not do this that much.

Wonder what it would take to get a deep optimization pass or two.

15:09

And are faster furnaces really what vanilla needs?

15:09

They must be running out of ideas.

Mods have done basically everything vanilla ever has.

True, that.

So, folks, anyone know of a good block to split/filter crushed ore from dust from tiny dust without having to configure every single example of each individually? Split/filter by ore dictionary prefix, sort of thing?

I was just about to suggest filter splitters, but then I realized where I was talking.

Not just for the channel's server. If I need to, I'll install a mod.

No, I mean I was operating in the Factorio context instead of the Minecraft one.

Ah, right. Gotcha.

Plethora Peripherals/CC can do very generalized item transfer, but probably quite laggily.

@0111narwhalz i get modded Minecraft and Factorio confused all the time, don't worry about it

I'm using Thermal Dynamics to schlep stuff about, which works pretty well. For now, since I did not find such a block, I've just build the Giant Freaking Tower of IC2 Electronic Sorting Machines, and gone from there.

I'll show you guys some pics of my modded server once the computer with my Minecraft stuff on it gets fixed

08:02

Needless to say, Thermal Dynamics item transfer pipes have become 3D Factorio spaghetti

08:03

...I also may have gone a bit overboard with Galacticraft's rocket automation feature

08:04

e.g. literally flying a cargo rocket to the moon and back down to a different pad on the Overworld when I don't feel like doing 15,000 block long item pipes or trains (edited)

Hah! Kerbalficciency!

It's actually faster than rail or pipe travel over long distances because Minecraft physics

08:06

You should see my Kerbal Space Program games evil laugh

08:08

I use Extraplanetary Launchpads to build freighters on Minmus, load them with Exotic Minerals (a modded resource), and ship them back to Kerbin for basically unlimited money

08:08

I use said money to work on my Dyson Swarm and giant orbital death laser

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...yes, I'm building a Dyson Swarm in Kerbal Space Program, and yes, my computer hates me

>Dyson swarm

09:16

>ksp

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But anyway

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I thought mining ore was unprofitable

@BizarroLand ♀ it's not going well, mind you

@KAL_9000 many have tried at making a dyson sphere and not melting their computer, and many more have failed.

I'm up to about 25 beamed-power satellites, and my computer hates me

11:38

The combined output of their microwave laser beamed-power transmitters is about a million ElectricCharge/second, tho...

Somebody join the damn server goddamnmcdamnfaceit!

Your complaining doesn't really help the issue, I think :V

Well, what is the solution to this subtle, but rather significant problem?

Do and show off cool things so that people are enticed, instead of shouting demands?

Yup

16:16

Build a cool factory, show it off and invite others to help

Ayep.

I have a bit of modded-minecraft-fatigue from doing the earlygamey stuff lots already, but I would help out with factory building.

Shouting into the void isn’t going to make anyone play who wasn’t going to anyway. Giving them something concrete to look at and something more to be a part of might push people over the edge

Already planning to terraform spawn with turtlebots

Turtles are cool.

16:45

I actually play on a server with only computer/peripheral mods. It's surprisingly built-up.

16:45

https://dynmap.switchcraft.pw/

Minecraft Dynamic Map

Minecraft Dynamic Map

16:47

I own a small underwater base, an also small "village" in the end and a giant cube made from chisel cloud blocks.

How do turtles deal with fluids these days?

You just drive into it and it vanishes.

Quite well, tested a few turtles

16:48

They survive lava

oh cool, they just displace

Most mining on there is either done by turtle swarms, turtle swarms with lasers, or people with efficiency VI shovels.

Why bother with hacking away at rocks with a diamond pick when you can have a turtle do it much faster and more efficiently?

Because the turtle needs fuel.

It can find it's own fuel while mining

Yes, true.

Or just send along some refueler bots

eh treefarms make infinite charcoal

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especially with turtles involved

Here's Chorus City.

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And some of central Switch City.

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It's one of those rare modded servers which has an actual somewhat functional economy,

gasp :V

16:59

Chorus City sounds like good fun though. It's in the End, isn't it?

Yep!

as in players build things and specialize to meet each other's needs?

Well, mostly.

17:00

The way it tends to work is that the very rich players mostly got that way via real estate, good GPUs/getting in early (it runs on a proof of work currency), or being on the original version of the server, and they have large turtle swarms and stuff, but a few people have specialized infrastructure and end up depended upon for stuff.

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e.g. one person has a blaze XP farm and a bunch of enchanted books they can copy and sell (edited)

I hate how powerful an individual player can be in minecraft. They can carry LITERAL BUILDINGS in their inventory.

Meh.

@Unknown calm down there

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lol

hates power of individual players wanted creative

Just emphasizing

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On the survivals

the average player can already carry too little i think

Do they have creative on that server?

No they do not.

17:02

This is Keansia, an odd place which claims to be a sovereign nation while effectively being a district of Switch City.

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you have to organize a bit to make room for building supplies

17:02

wait this server has politics and factions too?

Kind of.

Wait

17:02

they have nations?

Most places don't actually have laws beyond the server rules, and they would be basically unenforcable under GriefPrevention claims anyway.

NATIONS!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

Damn, this sounds like my jam.

has ideas about starting tronland

Keansia effectively exists just to provide cool government buildings and concrete roads.

Got a server link/modlist?

https://pack.switchcraft.pw/

Internally screams

Cheers.

switchcraft.pw is the actual IP.

17:03

They have a discord server, too.

I'm sold

A view over some more of the outskirts.

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It also has a lot of giant programming language logos made of concrete and stuff.

Is there much free land to make a nation on?

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Can I invade others?

Yes, no.

Can I ~~annex?~

No.

17:06

Free land: loads, just /rtp and claim somewhere, or claim land near switch city, etc.

17:06

Invasion: no, there is a claims system.

Know any servers that allow nations and invading others?

17:07

factions is too raid-y

That is kind of the point, no? :V

17:07

Also pretty sure you can form alliances with Factions, but it's been a while since I played.

I would be kind of unhappy about playing here if I had to also retask those traffic light turtles to do actual defense and whatnot.

17:09

It would be very annoying.

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(traffic light turtle = turtle with laser and entity sensor to immediately detect and deal with speeding)

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Enjoy MORE RANDOM SCREENSHOTS! This is the last set.

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The last is the pit of despair, with 3D-printed lava.

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Which totally makes sense.

Or you could form a national army made up of people in quantumsuits.

This place has no IC2/

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Also, defending manually is uncool.

IMHO Minecraft needs thermal updrafts and weather so elytra are more than a curiosity

17:21

Right you can only get as far as some multiple of the height you jumped ideally

I actually use plethora boosted elytra.

17:22

It's stupidly dangerous but keepinventory is on.

17:23

I have a cool thing which automatically slows falls, boosts flight speed, shows somewhat useless velocity overlays, and compensates for the generally awful TPS.

Hey, what would be some good cave ambience noises. My suggestion is the sound of a pulsating heart that starts normal pitch but then slowly gets higher and fades into nothing. (edited)

a pure tone just at the bottom edge of hearing

17:51

water droplet noises

Water droplets and the sound of breathing at the same time

17:52

A sound that sounds like distant cannon batteries going off

I don't know that we need breathing and heartbeat noises unless you're after actual horror :V

17:52

Which is kinda hard to manage in a game linke Minecraft without resorting to jumpscares.

Just something eerie

rare: a single footstep

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shouldn't happen more than once every several hours V:

heh, that oughta scare the paranoid ones in multiplayer

17:55

Nothing makes your heart jar like the sound of player footsteps

If you want to be real fancy, add an echo to footsteps that, every so often, steps just one time too many.

~~Herobrine~~

I will build a giant cube frame near the spawn zone from turtlebots

The server is acting up again

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So, stupid questions ahoy. Basically, download and install the mods, then connect?

18:56

anything I should know about the server? in general?

There's basically nobody on it!

well I'm wanting ot get on it XD

19:04

and I'm admittedly used to just using a modpack to set up and manage, so installing mods via zip is pretty damnned oldschool for me

19:04

let me poke at it some and I'll see.

hrm.

19:46

okay, I confess I have no freaking clue how to do this

19:47

to quote Duncan Fischer "I understand the words individually, but together they make no sense"

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We need to find villagers and somehow exploit them horribly. I'm thinking somehow steal the farm work they do.

Welcome to my modded server

Actually, no. Divide the village in half and make one side have its stuff stolen and the other receive free food from a magic box.

I "take care" of several villages with robot death squads and forced labor

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And I don't bother feeding them, because, you see...

With Plethora you can give them neural interfaces and hijack their bodies.

When there are too many villagers and not enough food, we TURN THE EXTRA VILLAGERS INTO FOOD

14:37

@gollark i need that mod

They do still have their AI if you don't disable that, but you can probably emulate most of their actions by explicitly programming that.

14:38

It's called plethora peripherals. (edited)

@gollark I already take harvestable shit from their farms lol

CC: Tweaked addon.

14:39

I generally just use either a garden cloche or hideously complex self sustaining phytogenic isolation setup for my food.

do you guys even Soylent?

I'm a Minecraft vegetarian. I subsist off potatoes, or my coffee machine's bread output.

I kill all livestock

I have found this rough picture of an old version of my coffee machine.

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14:42

It produces fish, marshmallows, actual coffee, and baguettes.

14:42

Plus cups for coffee.

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This is inside my office compact machine, and has inside it a submachine containing autofishing.

that is good Compact Machines usage right there

14:45

What modpacks do you guys use?

Custom ones!

14:45

The server (still up, it's not on my desktop) has a different one to that screenshot though.

Will join that server as soon as I get my computer back

14:46

What mods does it use?

14:46

Ah, there's a pin

14:47

>No Galacticraft

14:48

>immeasurable disappointment

I prefer advanced rocketry. Seem to have forgotten to add it though.

Never heard of that one

14:51

Googles it

14:51

Oh my God this is so much better

14:51

I'm never going baaaaaack

It has warp drives, and no ridiculous progression.

>warp drives

14:54

>no ridiculous progression

14:54

I mean the stupid "go to mars! It's identical to the moon but red and also a new boss!"

ah yeah that

14:55

You know what I want?

The space stations are cool.

Standard units of power among Minecraft mods :V

So RF?

14:56

Basically everything is on RF.

That are also real units

I'm annoyed Up and Down and All Around isn't updated. It allowed local control of the direction of gravity.

I'll make a patch for that

14:56

(the units thing)

Just edit all the lang files to "joules".

Buckets will be Liters

Except RF will still effectively be a liquid but OH WELL.

14:57

Reika's stuff was fun too.

RF will be Joules, and RF/tick will be Watts (since there are 20 ticks in a second, and a watt is one Joule/second, each RF/tick is 20 Watts)

14:58

gtg byyyye

man I wish BC hadn't moved away from RF :V

It was only on RF for one Minecraft version.

Still, I was fine with it that way. Not really sure what MJ offers instead of RF.

Realism!

I've seen mods try that, and slam into debates on how you calculate joules in a world where you can carry insane metric tonnes of cobblestone and other such issues

I think one measurement is based on the energy to heat lava or something.

I've had a scheme for a while now that involves a full thermodynamic overhaul of Minecraft.

20:09

(there's about zero chance of me actually doing it, but it's nice to talk about :V)

20:10

In which gas actually has to be displaced, redstone is just a conductor and the energy has to come from someplace, pistons can be pushed back, and so on.

I just want a Minecraft with guns and cars and maybe boats and planes and the factories needed to make 'em

20:14

Oh and gats

Vehicles don't seem to work real well in blocky games.

20:17

Minecraft boats only work as well as they do because they go on flat surfaces.

We need something to teleport multiblock structures short distances so we can have titanic battles with ICBM launching end cruisers.

Actually, FTB utilities allows you to claim stuff and disable explosions in your claims, nothing to worry about.

I want to move stuff, I want to make the Saltire End Force

Oh no. Please not Saltire.

Valkyrie?

makes a mental note to ask later about HOW to install the mods

Well, I can answer that now.

14:12

1. Set up 1.12.2 forge instance.

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2. Unzip mods.zip into that instance's mods folder.

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3. ???

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4. Profit.

Woo, thanks. i believe i was just missing step 1. Should be online tonight

5. Fun (edited)

14:49

Which server is this?

Mine.

14:58

I should really get more RAM. Hopefully it'd be cheap to upgrade to 16GB (from 4...)

@BizarroLand ♀ there's always Starbound if you're willing to accept sidescroller stup

I never figure out how to get core fragments

Just gotta dig deep

Take a core, and a real big hammer.

Railyard.

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Oooh. Nice

hmm. and I got a crash due to skyblocks.

ah, must've just been my computer being bitchy. Well, I'm now able to connect! Next steps (later) try and figure out where to start setting up

@gollark well, I have no idea where you might be set up on this server, but I've found a nice place about half a click out where I think I'll be setting up shop

What sort of performance are you guys getting?

02:16

Thinking about joining up but concerned about my hardware.

I'm online now, I'm getting 59 frames steady

What sort of machine are you running it on?

i5-4670, 3.4GHz, 4 cores. 8 gigs of physical ram

02:17

win7.

meanwhile here I am on a…

02:17

lscpu

I have a good video card, but this is minecraft. it doesn't matter.

02:17

and frankly, I don't think multicore will do much either

i7 2720QM at 2.2GHz

02:18

ah, apparently it can boost to 3.3GHz

you should be just fine, to be honest

right now it's sitting at 800MHz

how much ram?

10GB

02:18

(don't ask)

oh. pfff. you'll be VERY fine.

Machine's been experiencing some thermal issues lately, so I'm only getting maybe half the power out of it I should.

02:20

(now that I see that max clock rating I'm not actually entirely sure how load average is calculated)

02:20

I guess it's empirical?

02:20

Anyways, it can only handle a sustained load of about 2.2 or so.

02:21

Four-core should be able to do 4.

02:21

ah, the clock fluctuates wildly, neat

02:22

min clock is 800 but it dips to low 700s sometimes? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

02:22

I'll give it a shot, if I can remember my credentials.

02:24

(huh, my CPU got a substantially better Passmark score than I would've thought)

02:24

(I guess the boost clock is actually worth quite a lot)

though I do seem to get crashes thanks to the Skyblocks mod.

02:31

yep. that's three of em so far tonight

hm

huh. server's offline now too. curious

Uhoh, hope you didn't take it down.

well, I was the only one online, so I don't think that's the end of the world. (edited)

hey remember when the launcher had a changelog in it?

not really, honestly. it's been years since I touched minecraft

I've touched it more recently than years, but not for very long at a time.

02:35

Oh hey, no JVM segfaults.

02:37

alright let's see what installing Forge is like these days

02:37

readies the archive manager

and reconnected.

02:37

I'm wondering if the crashes are more connectivity isues.

eurgh, come on Forge

02:38

why've you gotta use a download relay for ads

02:38

and why've they gotta be such awful ads V:

02:39

"click here to finish your download!" [shudder]

stupid spiders

aha

02:44

there's the segfault

02:44

(I suspect)

aha, it got you too?

maybe, I dunno

02:46

impossible to read the output from the launcher with all the logspam

02:46

Oh, it was an X error.

02:46

Odd.

X error?

Yeah, something it did made X angry.

02:47

That'll be fun to figure out.

02:47

"invalid window parameter," apparently

02:47

Maybe it doesn't play nicely with i3?

02:48

That'd be a shame—I quite like i3.

i3?

huh, I may have gotten stuck on the wrong VT

?

i3wm is a tiling window manager.

aah

I have XFCE installed as well, so I figured if something was going weird with X I'd just pop on over to a different VT and start another X session to try it there.

02:59

But the launcher doesn't start (seems to return silently) and the shortcut I usually use to switch VTs doesn't work.

02:59

Oh, and I think my hardware buttons for screen brightness may be fighting between the two sessions.

03:00

So that's… neat, I guess.

03:00

(note to self: you're not as clever as you think you are)

okay. big swirley portals are NOT to be approached

ah, that's why it didn't open

03:05

stinker is single-instance (edited)

03:07

okay, so it's not i3 specifically (edited)

03:08

Log file tells me literally nothing.

03:09

Except that it wasn't a segfault, because things didn't just die.

03:10

1.12.2 vanilla? Works.

03:11

1.12.2 with Forge? Doesn't.

03:12

Would be nice if the logs weren't so completely unhelpful

03:12

Wonder if you can throw it into verbose mode.

03:13

beh I'll poke it later

03:13

too much effort for 1AM

agreed. I'm going to be crashing out anyhow

Tried the mcdex route, still crashing.

20:40

I'll bet my system is missing some dependency, but hell if I know what it is.

20:40

(since I can't actually get any information out of the logs)

alright I have another idea

21:04

hm, FTB doesn't seem to like my system either

21:04

But at least I have something to go off of now.

21:04

Namely: Something wrong with an "authlib"

are you on Linux?

yup

I read the other day that some framework mod FTB prefers isn't compatible with Linux

Nah, this is the FTB launcher having a fit.

authlib usually means you

21:10

uh

21:10

can't authenticate

21:10

:V

yes well there's not really a whole lot of authentication before the launcher even starts up is there

Anyways, I can report it works on my machine™ :V

21:11

What's the specific error?

Adding Authlib to Classpath
java.base/jdk.internal.loader.ClassLoaders$AppClassLoader cannot be cast to java.base/java.net.URLClassLoader: java.lang.ClassCastException: java.base/jdk.internal.loader.ClassLoaders$AppClassLoader cannot be cast to java.base/java.net.URLClassLoader

21:12

and somewhat later

No usable authlib available. Please check your firewall rules and network connection. Can't start MC without working authlib. Launch button will be disabled.

21:13

I have authlib-1.5.22.jar, as well.

What's your java version? (edited)

I have both 8 and 11 installed, but I'm running the launcher via 8.

21:20

I think, anyway.

okay so uninstall 11

21:20

V:

oi apt I'm trying to do something here

21:23

I'd like it if you didn't keep selecting a different package thankyouverymuch

21:28

aha

21:28

following the long string of symlinks, I have discovered that things are still pointing to the Java 11 place

V:

(seriously there's like four symlinks in a row)

21:31

(or are they hard links?)

21:31

(how can you tell? :V)

21:33

hey look it's not complaining about authlib anymore

21:33

neat

21:33

(did that get deprecated or something? :V)

21:34

Alright, so the plan is this:

21:34

1. Download a working modpack via FTB

21:34

2. Replace all its mods with the mods from here

21:34

although now that I think about it the regular Forge might work now

21:35

oh hey it do

21:36

And apparently my build of Forge is too old \o/

21:37

hm

21:37

I don't remember it asking what version I wanted…

alright this should work

21:50

just gotta let mcdex download files again

21:55

uh what I specifically asked for a different version of Forge what are you on about Railcraft

22:00

alright it's launched

22:00

finally V:

22:02

aaand [CONNECTED]

22:03

auto-jump off, thankyouverymuch

why is autojump even a feature

22:06

back in my day we nearly got RSI from pressing space too much

So do we have anything set up anywhere?

22:15

'Cause spawn is literally a meteor crater

the much-vaulted Skyblocks crash \o/

I'm connecting in. I'm about 1 km or so from spawn.

22:28

onesec, will give co/ords

22:29

I'm over at 6/66/1276

22:29

West south west of the spawning double crater

righto, I'll pack up and get over there

when you see a multicoloured fall forest, I'm just past that

hmm, I might join you guys :V

22:30

wait for meeeeeeeeeeee

for the record, I don't have anything really set up

22:35

I have a crappy little hobbit crater that I'm hiding in

22:35

I don't think it's quite risen to "hole"

22:37

also, murder some sheep on the way, so you can make a bed

Do you have food? :V

yeah. Don't have a farm, but I've looted a few villages.

22:39

you might run across one or two on the way as well

Figure we could found a commune or something.

22:43

[socialism intensifies]

22:44

But yeah, I'm not really looking to piggyback off you, just to find a place to chill and perhaps collaborate on !!future nefarious projects!!.

my location isn't too bad overall. grassy plains with mountians and redwoods all around it

22:47

pretty sure there's an abandoned mine underground.

Go home, Minecraft, you're drunk.

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and now it is morning

having minor technical difficulties in the vein of a load average of like 25

00:42

as soon as I can kill the game I'll start it again V:

00:44

Or as soon as I can free up enough memory V:

eeesh.

I maked a power monitor.

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shiny

@gollark We've been having a lot of crashing issues related to Skyblocks.

Okay.

06:20

How do you know they are related to skyblocks? Also, please send me actual relevant logs.

The popup says Skyblocks did it?

06:20

I'll send logfiles tomorrow—already closed my workstation for the night.

Oh, the VanillaFix thing, right.

It seems to happen randomly—nobody's exploring or doing anything in particular, and it happens to apparently random clients whether or not there are other players connected.

@gollark I can corroborate this :V

07:42

DM'd you a tar.xz of logs from all 3 crashes I had last night, all of which were related to Skyblocks.

Okay, those seem definitely due to skyblocks, I shall remove it.

07:46

It's removed from the server and manifest thing, I'm updating mods.zip and restarting the server now.

Cheers.

And done.

welp. creeper damaged some of the tinker's worktables. I've fixed what I could but it's.... not perfect. I'm missing a workbench that got blown clear up

Oh dear.

15:51

We must ban mob griefing.

meh. adds to the challenge I say

15:52

the actual forge was undamaged, as was the resource stockpiles

Oh, yes, I forgot, you can "claim" your base with FTB Utilities.

Sorry for the abrupt DC—doing some network troubleshooting because the ISP isn't giving us the connection we're paying for.

16:56

(as ISPs are wont to do)

[net neutrality scalarizes]

17:00

Also, I agree, mob griefing should stay. It's interesting and easier to deal with, now that I've made myself a ranged weapon.

@Overmind Here's something, I found a mod that allows multiblock structures to move, making warships possible.

It's my server, you know.

17:28

Which mod is it?

alright network fiddling is done for the day

Funky Locomotion

17:57

Saltire stronk

@gollark you should be happy, I'm using a TBM and getting a LOT of marble for you

Marble is in Minecraft desktop?

21:48

No there’s only quartz

okay.

02:32

this is getting a little annoying

02:32

people are now remodelling my factory building

We need Funky Locomotion

checks to see if Tron matters. gets a 0 response (edited)

~~Saltire stronk!~~

@BizarroLand ♀ mods.

bork.

Yes, it timed out, working now.

This is boring.

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Needs more

10:25

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lol

I'm trying and failing to design this new production area here nicely. I was going for splitting it into quarters with different types of wood in each, but as it turns out we don't actually have much different wood, and now I have no idea what to do with this.

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Meanwhile in my singleplayer campaign I still struggle to find the materials to finish my mountaintop chateau

Bah, the connection on my hotspot keeps dropping.

13:34

@gollark Couldja do me a favor and remove the uranium block from the decay generator once it turns into depleted uranium? Thanks.

Sure!

The factory grows.

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Today I add tiny minions:

14:53

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Is that GregTech in the background?

Why pick up after yourself when golem golem golem? Some bits of it, yeah. CE version.

Why use golems to pick up your waste when OC drones also could at twice the expense and hassle but also coolness?

Because I have other jobs for them.

14:57

It's about, y'know, diversity in magitechnological development. (Also, not waste, in this case. I have enough spare resources that this is my pick-up-and-return-to-stockpile-anything-I-accidentally-drop-on-the-floor golem.)

I should probably get something like this, it would be great to be able to just throw away stuff I'm not using.

Ironically I don't actually like mining except when I hit ores

15:02

Timeconsuming to find them without a preexisting structure and you mostly end up with stacks of worthless cobblestone that take ages to smelt back into stone for bricks

I don't much either, but we have a tunnel boring machine for primitive automining on here.

15:02

Consider a silk touch pickaxe.

At least fuel is not in short supply

I ended up using all the coal the tunnel borer mined on feeding the tunnel borer, it still wasn't enough.

Eh, just chuck them in a smeltery and get seared brick.

15:03

Normal stone bricks are overrated anyways.

15:03

Or grind them into sand for…various purposes :V

BRB, wasting huge amount of lava.

why is lava not renewable

15:03

It is!

I enjoy mining, actually

not in Vanilla

I find it meditative

With a magma crucible, you can convert cobblestone to more lava, given large energy input.

I mean, if you're concerned about lava…

I need to be in the right mood, but it's pleasant (edited)

Yeah, ninja'd.

15:04

But power is far more renewable than lava is. Source: tree oil thing that's currently set up.

I was going to make a RTG, but we seem to have no coal.

>Vanilla

Is boring

^

15:05

I have some graphite ingots, but again hotspot issues and I won't be able to get on for another hour or so.

15:05

There should be a few coal blocks in the chest too.

Relatedly, someone on the Nuclearcraft discord server made an optimizer thing for suggesting what NuclearCraft reactors to build given a defined mix of ores available (thorium/uranium) and an end goal of maximizing passive power output from RTGs.

maybe but its what I have cuz mods 2hard4me

15:07

(to understand)

Immerse thyself in Google.

15:08

That's how I learned modded gameplay :V

It's not the gameplay

15:08

Its the installation

Use MultiMC.

15:08

Makes it much easier.

15:09

You can install Forge and manage multiple packs much more easily than with the regular launcher.

I just use FTB, or Technic back when it was relevant.

15:10

But for special packs I just drop the mods in the mods folder, which really is quite straightforward.

15:10

All hail modpacking, et cetera

Okay, somehow everything is horribly broken after I used a few Random PSIdeas tricks.

15:39

Nobody use the conjure text/circle things!

is there a reason why the game is being excessively laggy as of late, btw?

Server or client lag?

I have no idea of how to tell.

15:40

but in the last day or two it's been choking hard.

15:40

like, I move a few blocks, then CHUG

It does look like it's using a lot of the server's CPU, unfortunately.

15:41

Probably garbage collection since it doesn't have much RAM to use.

ugh

15:41

because this is unplayable

15:41

I step forward two blocks, then I have to wait 2-3 seconds for it to respond

I think that's actually network lag, actually.

so the server's pipe is getting choked?

Something like that?

15:42

Maybe?

cause it's not my net connection

15:43

and this is very recent. it wasn't doing this last night

Well, that's weird.

15:43

Since I doubt my network has been getting worse, it might actually be serverside.

15:44

I'll try and get more RAM.

download less porn?

15:45

set the bitcoin mines to "medium"?

15:45

okay, just quitting.

I can try restarting it (please make sure to install Ender Storage, by the way, since I added that) and see if that helps.

okay, I drop to the main menu and get a message "An unknown problem occured, press Ctrl + I" but when I press that combo I get nothing

ooh ender storage

15:48

So we can pipe lava back from the Nether now?

that was the reason I was looking at it

15:48

but then I kinda also have to get more than 15 FPM, so....

If your issue is FPS, then that is not serverside.

15:49

How much RAM are you giving your game?

it was getting around 4-5 gb as I recall.

Well, it shouldn't need more than 4 or 5.

I can say that I had spare unallocated ram while I was running

15:52

okay, updated, restarting

It was using around 6 on my end, but I have 12 allocated.

15:53

Minecraft gets greedy methinks.

Yes, especially modded.

it's more "it ran smooth as butter for... 6-8 hours straight last night"

Mojang keep horribly mucking it up even with foamfix and whatnot.,

and now it's "walking forward is a Frame Shift Drive"

15:55

and if I'm trying to walk forward, when it "catches up" I have moved forward

man, imagine if Minecraft was written in a language that handled GC just slightly more gracefully

It's called Bedrock Edition.

Sure, but for non-W10 PCs :V

Also with mods, ideally.

aye

okay. whatever it was, seems to be workign now

My boat-flight spell doesn't actually work with me in the boat, which is proving a major obstacle.

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wew

Psi is fun, though, you should use it.

woo, haunted tree

16:02

loots

Actually, the mod that moves stuff is Project Red

Project Red is dead.

what, already?

16:12

(incidentally, can someone toss a link to 1.12.x Ender Storage?)

16:12

(cursory search mostly just returns stuff for 1.7)

16:13

(ah nevermind found it)

No, redpower is the dead one, øøps.

hm

16:14

Can you put a boat on the flying boat?

Yes, but it would fall off.

I suppose that would make it hard to drive…

I can just fly without the boat, but this is funner, and has multiple seats.

Do you fall out, or does the boat not lift when you're in it?

16:15

…Can you make a minecart fly instead?

Doesn't lift.

16:15

And probably, but I suspect the same would happen.

Nah, but we have Railcraft installed.

Oh, right.

So you can make one fly, and link another to it.

Let me just rewrite the spell (I deleted it...)

@gollark I suspect we'll have to start using the induction furnace to start making stuff for the machine farm.

17:18

Since the TE fertilizer requires slag.

For what it's worth, my mods menu displays Ender Storage as installed and enabled.

Strange.

17:22

@TotallyNotHuman What I like to do is have dedicated sets of machines for each production process.

17:23

So for automatic phytogenic insolator processes (these need phyto-gro) we would make a dedicated induction smelter for it.

17:23

It's less efficient than having a large bunch of machines and splitting the outputs up so they go the right way, but easier.

so yes, if you find an igloo, knock ot the carpets

Railcraft loves adding duplicate recipes to things for no good reason. Is there a simple way to disable some Railcraft recipes, especially block=>ingot ones, so that everything stays in Thermal Foundation items?

2

I think so. I'll look into it.

Yeah, 'tis getting slightly irritating to consolidate ingots and blocks.

11:24

Ores I don't mind-those go into well-behaved Thermal dusts/liquids (smeltery) anyways.

https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/Unidict

a mod to unify all ingots/ores/etc; with: AE2, Immersive Engineering, Mekanism, IC2, Thermal Expansion, and a lot more Integrations.

Say, did Ender Storage actually get installed yet? I was able to use the server last night using the unmodified modpack.

I don't actually know.

12:21

I'll restart it now, then.

Shall I also install UniDict?

It seems to be already in the pack, oddly.

12:22

Clearly it's not working.

ah, apparently you need another mod https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/instantunify

Automatically unifies different ores/ingots/dusts and more.

12:23

UniDict just standardizes recipes, it seems.

Yes, which ought to work on blocks at least...

It doesn't unify oregen.

Yes, I'm not trying to do that.

you know what, i'm sick of incompatibility and stuff

oh, apparently InstantUnify does ores too

It's not actually a compatibility thing, really.

From what I saw in the video on its modpage.

OreDictionary makes them all intercompatible.

That would be interesting.

I'm gonna make my own mod that standardizes everything!

12:24

you know what i meant

12:24

And then we'll have another standard to add to the chaos!

With blackjack! And hookers!

InstantUnify is serverside only too.

There's a relevant xkcd for this.

of course there is

there's always a relevant xkcd

exactly

12:25

"That's a big-ass fucking car"

12:25

>applies xkcd 37

12:26

>realizes implications

12:26

>panics

12:28

Metricize all of Minecraft's units

12:28

Standardize ores and ingots

12:28

Interchange recipies

12:28

All the shit

inb4 Minecraft in USCS

NO

12:34

NEVER

12:34

WE WILL NOT EXPAND THE REACH OF THAT ABOMINATION

Well, this is worrying. I restarted the server and it claims there are now only 4 mods installed.

13:07

Since I have that flag for clearing blocks for unused mods on, I worry that this may accidentally have wiped every modded block.

13:08

They'll either magically come back (I really hope so) or I'll need to reset everything or manually fix it in creative.

that sucks

A great example of why you should constantly take backups like I forgot to!

13:09

Seems like they're mostly gone. Wonderful.

13:10

Well, I've no idea what to do now...

13:10

...

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uhhhhhhhhhhh

Hey, guys!

...

We have a new server now!

does Minecraft keep clientside backups?

13:12

V:

I don't think so.

[cache digging intensifies]

Probably the best I can do is to try and reimburse lost items, or just to reset...

No, the old one didn't break, why do you ask? nervous chuckle

Resetting would suck, but so would trying to reimburse every item.

13:13

I think we should call a vote amongst all the active players of the server.

13:14

Who are those?

Wait, no, Forge automatically saves backups when items are removed, it should be okay.

phew

Yay Forge!

Be sure to redownload mods.zip.

13:21

The No-longer-broken Lands.

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Rejoice!

I think there are about four smelteries around now...

We have a general comminal one, a dedicated block caster (also communal)

There's the one in your base, and I think narwhalz has one.

13:45

So four.

13:46

Also, I'm going to look at setting up a ME system.

Yeah. Was gonna mention those two as well :)

13:47

Nar's is a very small in demand model

13:48

I'm going to be building mine to automatically cast ingots instead of blocks.

13:48

And then I'll have a small one for making on demand alloys

but you have nine times the storage density with blocks

No longer shall we suffer the tyranny of sorting these chests by hand!

13:49

I mean, there are some cheap CC-turtle-based systems, but AE2 is cooler.

@Enderminion yes, but blocks aren't what I actually need to craft most things

Storage density isn't too hard a problem.

And storage density really isn't THAT big a problem overall

13:59

And sometimes casting alloys doesn't call for making multi block volumes. Stuff like bronze, sure. But invar and the like... I don't think we have enough nickel for even a single alloy block

By the way, be sure to not use normal fluiducts for your piping.

14:00

They explode if you run hot materials through them.

(molten metals count as hot fluids)

Okay, I finally have all the presses.

Yeh, noted that in the block caster

There's enough nickel in the ore chest for a block of nickel, not to mention invar of course.

14:06

But we should probably swap out the manufactory for a proper TE pulverizer. That gives us nickel dust as a byproduct. And we're going to need lots of nickel.

I mostly made the manufactory because it can make graphite dust.

AE2 is best

14:11

but have you tried

14:11

nested shulker boxes

Can't do that.

14:13

Anyone know how to neatly automate inscribers?

no no no

14:13

all it takes is a change of two or three lines of code to enable nesting

14:13

And then

14:13

THEN

14:13

You have UNLIMITED POWAH

We have this nice AE2 setup, and also coincidentally almost more certus quartz.

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my least favorite part of minecraft is exploring a cave

This is much better than the old "chests" we had to deal with.

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@Enderminion my least favorite part of minecraft is probably exploring the nether or trying to get to a cave

My least favourite part is probably hunting endermen constantly for pearls which so many modded recipes need.

srsly its a gamble as to whether you even are close to a construction netherfort (edited)

15:54

at least caves are common enough that random exploratory spiral shafts breach them

There's loads of cool psi stuff gated behind the end, so I can't just ignore endermen.

Also, if anyone sees mystical magenta or black flowers, please give me them - I'm just waiting on these to start botania.

If there were a quick way of getting cobblestone I could just finish my castle already

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